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Steven Norquist at SIG 2010
Actually, my first spoken presentation on Enlightenment
For sure, we have a very wrong idea of Awakening
Move beyond the old way of understanding purpose in this world. The Enlightened state is beyond human characterizations of meaning and purpose.
The only thing Enlightenment is about, is this very simple and clean fact: Enlightenment is existence in the Truth, that is all.
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Brilliant!
The 'both/and' Hydra once again raises it's heads -- with one eye open and one eye closed.
Anything one can possibly say about it in dualistic, relative terms, in the dream of separation, is equally both real and illusory. One has to let go of the idea that there is some objective reality that can to known by some subjective self. That is the grand illusion.
Consciousness alone exists, real or illusory, it is ALL there is. Get over your 'self.'
Poet at heart
Maybe some native speaker can help me understand something he says. It is at minute 71.
(He is talking about the things he does not do anymore after liberation. And then he says:)
"Because those were tied to the little ????? that ?????. When those are destroyed..."
Thank you in advance.
In the end, I asked Steven. Here is our email-exchange:
Hello Karl,
Just prior to my talk Margot Ridler gave her talk. In that talk she used a prop for illustration: little paper cones that represented the ego. To me they more fittingly looked like "Dunce Caps." In the video at the 71 min mark I am saying that in the destruction of the ego, any thing or activity that previously was associated with the ego, the "Dunce Caps", will be destroyed along with the "Dunce Caps."
It was an inside understanding the audience had. Watch the Margot Ridler talk and you will see what I am talking about.
Steven
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 09:53:30 +0200, Karl Gerhardt wrote:
Dear Steven,
I started a thread at nevernothere.com on something you said in your SIG 2010 Conference Video.
What *did* you say?
What did you mean?
With kind regards
Karl
You can reach Steven here:
info@haunteduniverse.net
Since I noticed the absence of a link.
"Pursuing THIS is a very bad idea."Steven Norquist
"I would not trade THIS for anything."Steven Norquist
Listen to this guy until your ears bleed...........
Eventually it was seen that everything that seemed misguided or out of place was simply a reflection of how misguided I was. Thanks for inviting and recording this particular experience. This will resonate for very few but for those few this will likely be one of the last experiences or teachings that will be viewed with any intention of 'getting somewhere'.
Thank you for the profound expression in this video.
when he says no one is there,I assume he's referring to the ego and the story it has made up.
He says there is no one there to be enlightened Then who or what is there telling the little story he's telling.
He believes there is a lot of people in lunatic asylums that were trying to get enlightened and did not succeed.
All he succeeded in doing was scaring people,instilling doubt and fear in people is not a wise or truthful thing to do.he should change his mind on this approach.
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A wonderfully SOBER sharing of someone's experience of the subject.
Highly recommended for all NNHers.
Thanks for this, Richard.
*****
"Happiness is the feeling you feel when the Truth is not known. When the Truth is known, there is Emptiness. Which is a million times beyond joy, happiness, bliss." - Steven (01:24:15 into the clip)
Reminds me a lot of U.G, Krishnamurti...he also described awakening to be like a clinical death and said "You don't want this". It does make me wonder though, why Steven seems to spends a good portion of his time advising the non-existent person to really evaluate what may happen when in truth the person has no choice over weather awakening occurs or doesn't. It seems to me that he emphasizes the EXPERIENCE of Emptiness and not so much the actual BEINGNESS. He is describing Emptiness from the postion of a separte individual which would be terrifying. Suzanne Segal also experienced this very thing, and describes it in her book. It's as if the ego hasn't quite disolved so there is a portion of it there to still interpreting the experience and feeling the fear. When complete dissolution has taken place who is left to wonder if you can re-build your life?
"It seems to me that he emphasizes the EXPERIENCE of Emptiness and not so much the actual BEINGNESS." - lucy
I'll have to review his presentation (which I was happily looking forward to do anyway) to confirm this, lucy, but I think that his frequent references to our NON-BEINGNESS is intentional and the point.
His point being that we are non-being, not being. Everything else is, but we're not.
If my review reveals otherwise, I'll be happy to post a modification here.
P.S. (after my review): Steven's response to his friend's, Tom Ligotti, request to write something about being already enlightened... 57 minutes into the clip... speaks to enlightenment being non-beingness. Hope that helps.