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What if just this once

we make no distinctions,

as in Schrödinger's Cat,

between this or that,

duality or non-duality,

illusion or reality,

waking or dreaming,

knowing or not knowing,

left or right, he or she,

us or them, you or me

in here or out there,

past time or future?

Ok, you get what I mean.

What if it’s all the same,

and remains nameless,

formless silent stillness?

Which begs the question:

What of right or wrong?

What of love or hate?

What of free will or fate?

What of fear or bliss?

So if you ask me this:

Is there any difference

between yangs and yins?

I’d say: don’t be a fool!

After all, hot’s not cool ...

and only someone wise

would ever say otherwise.

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What works admirably for me

What works admirably for me is the real-ization that every distinction which I perceive is merely an appearance. And appearances are transitory in nature. They all and always appear and dis-appear.

Including the mirage of a separate me communicating this message to a separate you.

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Mirages

If you are a mirage, at least you're a welcome one ...

I could continue with some Christ in the desert analogies, but best to resist those 'temptations' ;-)

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ying and Yan

hot is yang cool is yin

red is yang ...mmmm yin.....? not red...? ha ha ha

thus yang and yin being opposite poles is contradicted by them being opposite poles...

in other words Non duality( and all other bla bla ) is not/cannot be just the absence of duality( and all other like bla bla bla).....

to judge this and that as that and this is yang(or yin)....not to judge is yin(or yang)...

then....?

what is yang & yin...? the whole....?

or let us put it in another way..

fear or making distinctions ( which includes questioning What AM I(pat present future)... is yang

fearless/not making distinctions(which includes not questioning what Am I(past present future) is yin

then what is yang and yin...the whole...???

the answer is the true Non-duality( and such bla bla bla)

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Good question or bad?

Is Schrödinger's Cat fearful or fearless?

Is it alive or dead? Real or not real?

Only if one opens that Pandora's box

is it possible to say one or the other.

Until then, it must be both and all, for only when an 'observer' enters the picture do all of the potential possibilities magically collapse into just one.

Only then can one proclaim: "You see? I told you so! Am I not so very clever?"

Sorry ... Now I must return to my oubliette.

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its a very bad answer though...

>>>Until then, it must be both and all, for only when an 'observer' enters the picture do all of the potential possibilities magically collapse into just one.

who/what has these potential possibilities?

jack went to see jill because someone told jack that jill had 3 !@#$

now the potential possibilities are

jill really has 3 !@#$

jill really has only 1 like every other..

jill has two...or jill to his great misfortune has none...

after both meet...

jill says to jack ,thank God that you came. UNtil you(observer) came and saw(consciousness) I(object) used to have 3 sometimes , 1 sometime , more than 3 sometimes....it was such a hell...but now all of these have magically collapsed into, me having only one.

suddenly jack bites his toungue. I am sorry Jill , before I came to see you I must have also calculated one more potential possibility...that you/Jill could have more than 3!!! Ohh it would have been great if everything rolled into either 3 or more than three.....and one more thing Jill I SHOULD ALSO HAVE NOT arrived at the possibility that yu could have none!lucky this didnt turn out to be the one before or after I came!sorry mate!

jill says dont worry, it worked out fine....didnt it?

both jack and jill very happy....everything became one(non duality) and a perfect stillness ensued.

regards

what is true perfect stillness...?

not the abscence of distinctions...but fearless of all distinctions.

true silence is not the abscence of sound ...but fearless of sound...

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Lol

Now that's the angryidiot I know and love! Out the window with those cuddly puppies!

By the way, I'm assuming this was after Jack and Jill went up the hill, then tumbled down?

One wonders what the heck went on up there? That's quite the debate they had!

But never mind, the make-up sex seems to have have done the trick ... works every time.

All is well that ends well ;-)

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stillness...and mirages

I conclusively state that there is no such thing as stillness , being still or nameless stillness and what ever.

To say that there is such a thing as stillness , rest etc is cowardice, fear of movement, of impermanence, of sound of death of pain and of loss and of the very Life …

Similarly enlightenment, realisation etc are also bla bla bla and are the apex of cowardice in man….

There is only fearless…nay not even “fearlessness…because I cannot say what quality this fearless has …because I cannot ask as…there is only fearless..

This fearless unites me with the puppy who got hit on the head and died by the road side…today morning I saw it, with its mother crying from beneath a car, this fearless unites me with the rikshaw puller who is pulling his tricycle in the midday sun with hunger in his belly…this unites me with the rising fearless entrepreneur , this unites me with the working mother whose husband has passed away and is keeping a home running with pride …

I bow to them ..the eternal rebels …..all GODs and Demons pail before them… the fearless ones …I see in them Life…the fearless life…....all the so called Gurus are shit in front of them...

What bullshit enlightenment does any one need. What past what present what future can weigh any one down…

Fearless fearless fearless…

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Fearless is defined

Fearless is defined by
fearfulness.
As any "that" is defined by
"not that"

Draw a circle.
Place the word "that" within it.
And place the word "not that" outside it.
You've just created dualism.
And you maintain it by
playing the game of
"this, not that".
Or fearlessness, not fearfulness.

See what happens to the circle
when you embrace both
fearlessness and fearfulness.
Or "I am that and not that".

See what happens to the circle.

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BINGO!

Yes, my friend! Only in apparent separation, is any problem ever created.

For example, the fearful seeker says: "Oh my god! I'm not real! I must find the 'I' that is real"

But what if we fearlessly re-unite the 'un-real' one with the 'real' one?

Better yet, what if there was no divorce in the first place?

No separation ... No problem.

End of story!

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What if?

What an intriguing, subtly subversive and risky question.

On the one hand a blatant lure to thinking mind to conjure up a multiplicity of “answers” and at the same time an invitation to step to the edge of conceptual understanding and in a manner of speaking peer into the ever present abyss that is consciousness.

There is no fear except to the extent mind says there is or is not fear. And in that case, fear can buoy one up or anchor one down, depending on one’s needs at the time. But that’s just me.

I appreciate circles almost as much as I appreciate coins as I appreciate mirrors, with their inside the circle/outside the circle, two-sides of a single coin, reflection implications, within implications, within implications.

Draw a circle, within the circle “I am” and outside the circle everybody and everything else. Erase the circle and there is no separation.

So the invitation – What if? – I find a sly one, but not to be accepted willy nilly by the faint of heart . . . or gullible.

Cheers.

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On CIRCLES ….RE UNITING AND EDGES OF UNDERSTANDING…

On CIRCLES ….RE UNITING AND EDGES OF UNDERSTANDING…

On circles…

More than 900 million people on this earth are under nourished, in other words do not have enough to eat ….hunger. These are figures cited by UN.

Meanwhile , people in different parts of the world , including mine, hire famous chefs to cook a lunch. It’s a prestigious issue! One such lunch (cost incurred ) is enough to sustain one poor for a life time…may be more…

Mankind has no(at least enough) focus…and something is certainly amiss….

What bullshit is this draw a circle, put a word in it, put a word out of it, erase this earse that, erase duality, stillness etc etc etc …?

The very idea that there is an inwardness , or that there is stillness, or that there is such a thing as enlightenment is like hiring that rich chef! And nothing more..

What spirituality is this…? If someone thinks that there is an end or an answer to be found he /she should atleast have the courage to say that the answer is such and such…

What cowardice is it to say that “truth” is beyond words…? Or that a separate “me” is a mirage ,….there is no self , there is no doer etc etc etc….? similarily what bullshit is it to say that I am the Brahman..GOD….etc etc etc.

Both are hiring rich chefs to cook up something and then die unable to digest what the chef has cooked! And nothing more…

There is no such thing as enlightenment, there is no need too for an enlightenment….or stillness or non duality etc etc etc…..to say that they are or that there is a need for them is fear in man and nothing more.

is a buddha a better person than a poor daily labourer or a rikshaw puller? does a buddha die and go to a better place than a un eduacted person who has worked honestly and toiled hard in life?

if you say no then why do you believe in enlightenment? or stillness or any other cr!@?

I fearlessly state that there is only one goal for spirituality….if it is any bit true and that is getting the seeker to the “fearless”…only such a fearless UNITES one and all…

only that is the real re union.

Only such a “fearless” frees man from his past , present and what ever future that dares to come and question him!

ON EDGES OF UNDERSTANDING…

The seeker bullshits himself that there is an edge to understanding….the very idea that he has realised that there is an edge ….bravo…..wow…?

I was watching a vedio on this very site where a woman was going on on on and on …

I was against this wall I was against this wall …..

THIS WALL OR EDGE …there is nothing spiritual or noble about it…

Every man , woman comes across this wall every day….the seeker thinks his edge is nobler, what about the edge/wall a daily labourer has to face every day, what about a wall sick woman prostitute has to face every day…what about the walls poor and hungry children face every day…….

The question should be what is to be done with these walls these edges…

Do you need to draw a circle in the sand may be and write I am not hungry and outside the circle I am hungry and then erase the circle…? Of course yes that is what you should do…!! yes.....???

But what I see is different in this world and thank GOD for that (if there is such a thing as GOD!.)

People fight….the daily labourer toils hard gives his blood and sweat…he with all the pride in the world dresses his kids in the morning and sends them to school, a small child (child labour) takes photos of tourists and supports his family! and attends night school! A million million million stories…..nay the only truths….

When you have these morning suns , when you have such fearless eternal rebels when you have people like these , whom life literally begs to be lived through….

What bulls shit enlightenment and stillness and edges we talk of……

fearless....thats the only spirituality that really is.

why does a fearless one worry about what fearless is? isnt it ridiculous...?

and there in is the very key and the only key of spirituality...

regards

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Here I stand with umbrella,

Here I stand with umbrella, raincoat and rubber boots leaning into this torrential outpouring!

And there goes my umbrella turned inside out, tumbling down the street.

What to do? I really can't stay dry.

So I take off raincoat, step out of the rubber boots, and allow myself to get drenched.

I do not let the raindrops of words wash me away. Only to cleanse the temporary grime from hands and uplifted face.

Is it possible that there is no point to life except the living of it?

Consciously. Or otherwise?

Tony

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