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Waking up from the dream
The primary 'I' is the one undiluted Consciousness. I and Consciousness are one. Consciousness is God. Jesus said: I and my Father are one. God is the perceiving Presence as well as everything appearing. Early in life the child (primary undifferentiated consciousness) is trained to imagine with clearly defined concepts. This is practical, in order to function in the relative world of forms. However - through identification - it also brings alienation.
In psychological space (mind) images are collected. These are energy-impressions of family, world and events. Through psychological representations consciousness learns to assign meaning and descriptions to appearances. Projections are energetic attitudes and vibrations with which people present ideas about themselves and the world. In the mind evolves a collection of persons and impressions which represent projections and interpretations.
A psychological I-shape is described from memories and imposed ideas. Impressions of the world grow into a psychological landscape. The characters collected from the surroundings are seen as existing only outside the self. On closer examination these turn out to be energetic appearances in the mind, which operates with time-bound, isolated and separated impressions.
Mind is the one Holy Spirit which through identification seems to contract into an ego-mind. Spirit could also be called Light. The Light is Consciousness which perceives and sees, or Stillness that is absolute and formless. Ego is the I-illusion which claims ownership of memories, impressions and happenings.
Light is before time the age-less which perceives; the psychological I is the form which learned to see itself as an identity existing apart from the whole. Metaphorically speaking, Light is the upper side of Conciousness, Life the organic lower side. In the middle is impersonal Love which keeps on relating perception to Life that is always now, new, fresh and unburdened.
Life-Love-Light is one, a trinity with which confusion can be invalidated. Life-Love-Light is God or Awareness. In the mind an I-form grows which identifies with the body and says: 'I am a man' or 'I am a woman'. There separation begins. The I-form starts obeying ideas on how to be a man or how to be a woman, thereby disturbing the biology.
Ultimately the word 'human' is a concept in the mind belonging to the relative world of forms. Through the I-form ego claims experiences to edit them into a story. There seem to be innumerable persons, all defending their ego-story. Relatively this is true, yet seen from the Absolute there is one universal Being. The dis-connecting from the concocted, false and twisted ego-story could be called awakening.
Clinging to a psychological identity suggests a separated person with an origin and a destiny. This is backed-up with dramatised memories of interpreted happenings: the ego-story. After it is seen that consciousness has no age or size, perceiving relaxes back from the ego-standpoint (time) into impersonal awareness (timeless). The imprisonment in time drops away. Yearning for Love is recognized as ego-alienation.
The other isn't outside myself, but an appearance of the one Being, likely to show aspects of the one - confused - human mind. Meetings don't have to be avoided from ego-fear, but can be accepted as a possibility to invalidate (collective) untruths. Spirituality is not a concept to create separation, but the Holy Spirit which inspires and encourages life-forms to allow Life from authentic Oneness.
Distrust is fear for identity-loss. Identity has to create space where consciousness doesn't realize that it is Life-Love-Light and (uncreated) effortlessly the space in which everything evolves. The small mind evokes anxiety and has to guard and control its psychological interior to feel safe. This contraction concocts - from a claimed past - an identity and therefore needs to hold on to 'its' past.
The I-form cherishes the past to draw indignation, discontent and pride from it. That is necessary to guarantee distance between me and the world or me and the other (guilt - punishment). This is a mental fight, which manifests in the world as war, control, ruling, fear, suffering, pain and suspicion. Always the world seems responsible for 'my unhappiness'. Happiness will come if and when the other, the world or God respects and obeys the rules... which I make. :-)
This battle is propelled by the psychological construction which evolved from childhood. Energetic figures form a frame in which the I-shape tries to maintain its validity. This I fights against, or feels supported by, energy-impressions from parents, family, tradition, religion, culture and the spirit of time. Actions are constantly related to and compared with a collection of impressions from the past. Energy-impressions can be five minutes or five thousand years old.
Alienation is consciousness forgetting it is before time, looking - from transparency - to a dream. The dream happens in the dimension of time - space... consciousness is not a dimension. The I-form grows up with the idea it's an appearance in the dream. The dream gets the name 'my life'.
Loneliness is consciousness in confusion about itself. It imagines itself as a separate form which feels lost in the dimensions. It has to find its way and gets desperate from the many signposts. Desperation is - in the acceptation of it - a possibility to wake up from the dream and an opening to the timeless which perceives, which isn't born and doesn't die.
Awakening is the realization of being not a dream-person but the one transparent Awareness, or Life-Love-Light which incomprehensibly - before time - is the timeless Wonder within which all dimensions are dreamed. Life-Love-Light comes from nowhere and goes nowhere... it IS. Nothing brings peace but the Divine Peace that surpasses all understanding... the Peace that is your true nature.
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Dear Amati;
How to speak about consciousness... Words and concepts are needed for expression; right there starts the difficulty, because words can mean different things in different contexts or traditions.
I tried to put into words what happened to me in the last twenty years. 'My story' is not the truth. The 'me' that 'I' thought I was turned out to be mainly resistance to Life-Love-Light, a movie-character looking for love in the outside world, guided by fear.
After I recognized that the addiction to drugs, alcohol and approval were how 'my story' was played out, I started looking for the source of 'I am'. There is the fire of Silence, in which all 'my' convictions are burnt. Then insight came in how the personal mind operates and all the questions fell away.
When there was a discovery that 'the I' was in confusion about itself, Life-Love-Light revealed Itself. Still there is a sense of being and a world in which it communicates, but now 'it' is Openness that enjoys Life and is compassionate; the holding on to the story fell away.
There was great relief in the falling apart of 'my identity', although it took a while to 'understand' that I am not the story (the collected experiences). I cannot tell you with words who you are... you'll have to make that journey yourself. Awakening seems to happen in time, but it is seen from what is already awake and before time.
Awakened man and unawakened man are just ideas in the mind; if believed to be true, that is what will be seen.
To me 'Consciousness is God' means 'Everything is Brahman'.
Thank you for your wishes.
Love...
frits
hello frits...
can I respond again boss....here we go..
but hey first ....did you read that poem CANDESCENCE one of the new posts. Fritty boy did you not like it? WOW! anyway coming back please do allow me to respond...
my friend ploeg says>>>How to speak about consciousness... Words and concepts are needed for expression; right there starts the difficulty, because words can mean different things in different contexts or traditions.
response>> boss I can understand why one has to speak to the other on consciousness. Not the need as such but that there could be a need for one to speak to the other on consciousness and host lot of other things. BUT MY SUBMISSION IS....one to one that is man to man that is "me " to "me" all speech is like second hand... ..which includes the question what am I?what is etc etc. THATS ALL is my submission.
ploeg>>>I tried to put into words what happened to me in the last twenty years. 'My story' is not the truth. The 'me' that 'I' thought I was turned out to be mainly resistance to Life-Love-Light, a movie-character looking for love in the outside world, guided by fear.
response>> by saying so it indicates I have made a transgression of sort and frits do forgive me , this idiot.
ploeg>>After I recognized that the addiction to drugs, alcohol and approval were how 'my story' was played out, I started looking for the source of 'I am'. There is the fire of Silence, in which all 'my' convictions are burnt. Then insight came in how the personal mind operates and all the questions fell away.
response>> and insight too could fall away one day. All that is subject to origination is all subject to cessation---BUDDHA! Or putting it in another way why shouldnt that insight too burn in that fire of that silence?
saying it rowdily...I give a hoot for what I AM because there is this silence... THATS ALL I AM TRYING TO SUBMIT.theres no room for any insight. All insight is like second hand.
ploeg>>.When there was a discovery that 'the I' was in confusion about itself, Life-Love-Light revealed Itself. Still there is a sense of being and a world in which it communicates, but now 'it' is Openness that enjoys Life and is compassionate; the holding on to the story fell away.
response>>> if there is openness let it be. If I am jack the ripper himself let it be. If IAm compassionate let it be. If I am that sherlock ( that charachter who demand flesh for loan repayment boss...in shakespeare...did you get it??/) let it be...bossssss!! if there is a story to hold on to let be !! That thing which you call "silence" and "fire" can I put it in another way..?
that silence is individuality.It is so likeeee...mmmmm...can I say....mmm..... self reliant that it is silent. And that Fire is Fire to all meaning and imports to man..the basis of all fear and unnecessary reliance.THAT WAS ALL I WAS SAYING.
ploeg>>>>There was great relief in the falling apart of 'my identity', although it took a while to 'understand' that I am not the story (the collected experiences). I cannot tell you with words who you are... you'll have to make that journey yourself. Awakening seems to happen in time, but it is seen from what is already awake and before time.
response>>> absolutely . An individual after this "awakening" becomes individuality.I just put it like that boss. But the interesting thing is a plant grows to become a tree and the plant says I have been like this all along.Which is true.Because if itwasnt like that in the seed, in the gene etc etc it wouldnt be like that now. But on the other hand a person who has seen it grow might also say..what a majestic tree has this plant "GROWN" into. Is it not ploeg boss? To what does what we call "MAN" grow into? what does this individual "grow into".....is is that "SILENCE"?
Ploeg>>>Awakened man and unawakened man are just ideas in the mind; if believed to be true, that is what will be seen.
To me 'Consciousness is God' means 'Everything is Brahman'.
response>. In that Silence and its fire....everything and that God/Brahman of yours ( and mine as well) come and sit beside for warmth when it gets too cold "outside".
ploeg>>>>Thank you for your wishes.Love...frits
response>> that "thank you" is not from the silence but rather like only after it given its approval.That Silence as such gives a hoot about amati and his wishes.... no no just kidding boss...all I meant to say is that silence is not worried for anything or anyone(including this idiot amati) and is majestically carefree
regards ploeg
when dutch play india iin hockey or cricket or something do remember me. Are the dutch coming to INdia for the common wealth games?
best and best wishes boss
yours amati
Dear Amati;
Thank you for demonstrating and illustrating so beautifully the points made in the original entry.
May this discussion end in Silence now. thank you.
theres a quote by Shakespeare frits ...about life he calls it a shadow...like a bad actor on stage...like a story told by an idiot....full of sound and fury.....
it fits me and my responses to your post doesnt it!?
allow me to sum up all that I have said as response to your posts in three words " blah blah blah( full of sound and fury).I am amazed at times with my own idiocracy!!MMmmmm.well it can be fun ..something to laugh at times.
and all of yaa who might be reading this post....
this the spell of amati on thee....
you are a fool if you think what I said in my comments is wrong. And a fool still if you think they are right and have any utility. And they are also not any where in between.
only those who shall just wipe them off his pant bottom like the sand after sitting on a beach shall go home blessed with joys plenty.
tis the spell of amati..the spell of well being!
regards ploeg...Sir!
yours
amati
hello Sir, wishes and regards
ploeg>> I and Consciousness are one. Consciousness is God.
response >>> please elicit kindly how does the above conclusion or realisation help man.
ploeg>>>Impressions of the world grow into a psychological landscape. ....On closer examination these turn out to be energetic appearances in the mind....
response>> is this the utility in concluding that I and consciousness are one?.If it is then there is a beautiful use to man. He lives in a stress free manner.As what is is an appearance , not real and thus there.... to be rejoiced etc etc etc.
but upon on your "closer examination" it is found that it cant be resolved that easily.That everything is an energetic appearance.
let me submit with an example...I see a tree..an image...
an image of the tree is not the tree...thus what is there is an appearance or knowledge of a tree(image).upon closer examination an image is reflected light. So where does this light comes from..sun..? etc etc? As the eye can only receieve light it as such is not doing the transalation of that light into the image of a tree. However without there being a light receieved by the eye there cant be a translation. Is it not.? Say the mind is inside , eye recieves light ...translated into an image. From here one can go two ways...
1. There is a real world outside and there is an interpretation of it that is made available.So something really is happenning out there.
2. Conclude that sun and light from it are knowledge too or an appearance by themselves.
SO when I am looking at a tree it implies I am not looking at an image of a tree or there is an kowledge of a tree but rather there is the knowledge of LOOKING AT A TREE..thus it includes the knowledge of light(reflected) , the knowledge of sun etc etc.
this is the most a man can do. Because what ever man knows(including himself) what ever he is conscious of , what ever he examines, what ever he concludes can be reduced to mere knowledge or an appearance. That is no real substance.
Now this might be a trick within a trick. Because its like saying....
ALL I CAN OR DO KNOW IS ONLY AN APPEARANCE OR KNOWLEDGE AND THUS EVERYTHING IS ONLY AN APPEARANCE.
I ANd Consiousness are one is ONLY A DIFFERENT WAY OF PUTTING it. You cant say I am consciousness unless you reduce the other to appearances.
it all sounds a bit ... ego talk.Is it not? Its like saying my knowledge is bounded thus everything is bounded.Limited.
If on the other hand if the first interpretation is correct that there is something "real" and an interpretation is being made available ...then too there is no respite for man. He is in a even far worst place.
Thus even if a man concludes I am consciousness there is absolutely no respite or utility or understanding that man hunts for. If am on the wrong track please do guide.
ploeg>>> The dis-connecting from the concocted, false and twisted ego-story could be called awakening.
amati>> what is the utility of such awakening to man. I repeat Sir. I dont mean to say by utility that man is now a superman after awakening, can fly to office from home can read his bossess mind etc. But I mean more mundane more down to earth.What is the utility of such or any awakening. What can a man who is yet to awaken expect upon awakening?
Every or any answer for the above will be in the language of the ego. Has to be. Because the conclusion itslef is in the realmm of the ego.
ploeg>>> After it is seen that consciousness has no age or size, perceiving relaxes back from the ego-standpoint (time) into impersonal awareness (timeless). The imprisonment in time drops away. Yearning for Love is recognized as ego-alienation.
response>> THUS EVERY ANSWER ON THE UTILITY IS IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE EGO>> "relaxes" etc etc . Because the conclusion itslef is in the ego so as to speak.
consciousness is simply the ego working itself to a point where it cant see itself or a self to it. before and after the fun exercise ego still persists. And whenever it feels the need to be stress free it simply does the routine again.Its an experience.It is only the ego or the mind that does the searching , it is the ego that can conclude, all it concludes can be reduced to appearances. That there is a backdrop to these appearances is an appearance too.
ploeg>>Distrust is fear for identity-loss. Identity has to create space where consciousness doesn't realize that it is Life-Love-Light and (uncreated) effortlessly the space in which everything evolves. The small mind evokes anxiety and has to guard and control its psychological interior to feel safe. This contraction concocts - from a claimed past - an identity and therefore needs to hold on to 'its' past.
amati>> and concluding...I and consciousness .. is only a part of it.
ploeg>>Awakening is the realization of being not a dream-person but the one transparent Awareness, or Life-Love-Light which incomprehensibly - before time - is the timeless Wonder within which all dimensions are dreamed. Life-Love-Light comes from nowhere and goes nowhere... it IS. Nothing brings peace but the Divine Peace that surpasses all understanding... the Peace that is your true nature.
amati>> respite to man has to be in the language of man.
real utility is when it is effortless.
FOR ME....there is no movement in the present moment.This man or ego or consciousness or the me in this moment has no conclusions or least bothered about any conslusions.
A man cant realise for the entrie universe. He cant conclude for the entire universe.He cant conclude by integrating all the different branches of science in the world. That the truth is such. That there is an universal being etc etc etc.
he can only conclude for himself.Man can only conclude for himself.
that is why if there is such a thing as awakening or enligtenment it has to 100% individualistic. It cant be impersonal so as to speak.Only then it will have an utility to man.He cant go on resolving what has happenned in his entire life , the entire world and then conclude it is awakening.
I dont know boss.... I cant put it in words. BUT I HAVE THIS STRONG FELLING THAT AN INDIVIDUAL COMES OUT OF AN AWAKENING.
May be someone can put it in better/correct words and in better clarity than me.Definetely so.I tried though in what ever limited manner I could.
BUT HEY... If I was saying this to a brother or someone I would simply say dont care a hoot boy... if you are consciousness or not ...if you are this and that or not... or this will happenn tomorrow are not, or this and that has happenned yesterday....or this is illusion and that is real.......... because thats what and how you are.Damn it... thats how you are... care free..
regards and lots and lots of wishes ploeg
YOUR's
amati