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Understanding Non-duality "Single Question" Vol 1: Dr. Vijai Shankar interviewed by Marcus Stegmaier
“Single Question“ is a new series of interviews with Dr. Vijai S Shankar interviewed by Marcus Stegmaier which is produced by the Academy of Absolute Understanding (AAU). The series is about "Understanding Non-duality".
Single Question Vol 1: "Dr. Shankar, what is a clear understanding of Non-duality, and what does only appear as a clear understanding but it isn't?"
Dear Amati.
AMATI: understanding-grace hello guruji... marcus>>1.how can understanding be light...? one be the other....? marcus Response: One is not separate from the other to be the other, one appears as the other and not separate from the other. response>> if one appears as the other than one is not the other......and is separate....
RESPONSE: A boy appears as man but yet not separate from man. The real reflects itself as one as well as the other.
AMATI: "UNDERSTANDING" can be the LIGHT because it cant be either the source (of light) or the enlightened(what appears in the light).
RESPONSE: Wisdom is light. Understanding is grace, the potential of light. Light is not separate from the source of light. The real (source) reflects as the illusory (reflected light).
AMATI: then it is no more an understanding nor light... this is what you/me/we are....
RESPONSE: What YOU/ME/WE truly are cannot be known.
AMATI: marcus>>The ego wants to see. The ego cannot and does not actually see what it thinks, but only thinks it actually sees. response>> thats only what marcus thinks of the ego... is it not marcusji...? There is no understanding to be seen because...it is the ultimate understanding itself which is "seeing".
RESPONSE: It is not a product of thought or concept by Marcus or individual, it is a pointer of understanding which is Grace. Understanding cannot be seen but only be lived.
AMATI: marcus>>what is the meaning of understanding? marcus Response: Grace. response>> agreed guruji..and that is why the world/mind is neither an illusion nor a reality.
RESPONSE: IF THE WORLD/MIND IS NEITHER ILLUSION NOR REALITY IT MEANS THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST. EXISTENCE CANNOT BE DENIED. ILLUSORY DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST.
Love to family
Guruji
Dear guruji….
Marcus>> What YOU/ME/WE truly are cannot be known.
Response>> and it doesn’t matter a “bit”. Because all of us are already dead.
Marcus>>: It is not a product of thought or concept by Marcus or individual, it is a pointer of understanding which is Grace. Understanding cannot be seen but only be lived.
Response>> all pointers of understanding inlcuding….” I recollect that everything was happenning….even though I was thinking,I was doing” ….. OR… who listens/sees/hears ….is not an individual…… are effots/movements over something
Which has the least bit interest on such activities or the outcome ….or the lack of it..
What is there is like already dead. Its heart has been burned . Let spring come or not what does it care…caring is beyond it now. That’s what you me us are.
Marcus>> IF THE WORLD/MIND IS NEITHER ILLUSION NOR REALITY IT MEANS THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST. EXISTENCE CANNOT BE DENIED. ILLUSORY DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST.
Response>> If the world /mind is neither illusion nor reality does not mean that it does not exist or exist…but means that the one which is being asked to make a call (if it exists or does not exists) is “like” the dead or truly dead.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Hey did I get it right?(cut copy paste..)
Regards Marcus my dear dear guruji..
Your
amati
AMATI: world and the mind.... Dear guruji….Marcus>> What YOU/ME/WE truly are cannot be known. Response>> and it doesn’t matter a “bit”. Because all of us are already dead.
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> RESPONSE: ALL OF US IS THE KNOWN AND NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT IS UNKNOWABLE TO REALIZE THAT WE ARE ALREADY DEAD/THAT.
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> AMATI: Marcus>>: It is not a product of thought or concept by Marcus or individual, it is a pointer of understanding which is Grace. Understanding cannot be seen but only be lived. Response>> all pointers of understanding inlcuding….” I recollect that everything was happenning….even though I was thinking,I was doing” ….. OR… who listens/sees/hears ….is not an individual…… are effots/movements over something...Which has the least bit interest on such activities or the outcome ….or the lack of it.. What is there is like already dead. Its heart has been burned . Let spring come or not what does it care…caring is beyond it now. That’s what you me us are.
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> RESPONSE: "WHAT IS THERE" AND "SPRING" INDICATES THAT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE UNDERSTOOD/CARED ABOUT. IF NOT UNDERSTOOD WITH CLARITY YOUR FREEDOM AND BEING WHAT YOU ALREADY ARE IS A DECEPTION. HAVE A LOOK AT YOUR DAILY LIFE: DOES THE EGO REACT TO ITS BELIEFS?
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> AMATI: Marcus>> IF THE WORLD/MIND IS NEITHER ILLUSION NOR REALITY IT MEANS THAT IT DOES NOT EXIST. EXISTENCE CANNOT BE DENIED. ILLUSORY DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST. Response>> If the world /mind is neither illusion nor reality does not mean that it does not exist or exist…but means that the one which is being asked to make a call (if it exists or does not exists) is “like” the dead or truly dead.
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> RESPONSE: "THE ONE WHICH IS BEING ASKED" INDICATES EXISTENCE, WHICH HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS WHAT IT REALLY IS.
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> AMATI: Mit freundlichen Grüßen Hey did I get it right?(cut copy paste..) Regards Marcus my dear dear guruji..Your amati
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> LOVE TO FAMILY, Marcus
gurujii...namaste
marcus>>ALL OF US IS THE KNOWN AND NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT IT IS UNKNOWABLE TO REALIZE THAT WE ARE ALREADY DEAD/THAT.
response>> thus truly dead
marcus>>IF NOT UNDERSTOOD WITH CLARITY YOUR FREEDOM AND BEING WHAT YOU ALREADY ARE IS A DECEPTION. HAVE A LOOK AT YOUR DAILY LIFE: DOES THE EGO REACT TO ITS BELIEFS?
response>> 1.there is no such thing as reaction...
only a response is.....
who said I had any freedom....? or that I had being...?
I/what is as such am/is never self conscious.
marcus>>"THE ONE WHICH IS BEING ASKED" INDICATES EXISTENCE, WHICH HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS WHAT IT REALLY IS.
response>> the "one" in all circumstances indicates duality.
while existance is non dual... thus one being asked does not indicate existance....
regards
yours lil bro
amati
Happy to meet and listen to Dr.Shankar again!
Hopingly it will happen on more occasions...
Anna
Really enjoyed this Marcus. Thank you and Dr. Shankar for some very clear understanding.
Question: Does Dr. Shankar make a distiction between knowing and understanding? All knowing takes place in the mind, the mind is the only intrument available to man to know. But the mind can never know life, because life is a movement so it is more like an echo of life. So mind cannot be involved in understanding, where would this understanding take place than?
dear lucy,
can I ask ..if itsnt too much of a liberty....
why do you want to know where this understanding happens...
like is it because it points to what we really are...?etc?
can I know...?
reagrds
yours
amati
Amati asked: can I ask ..if itsnt too much of a liberty....
why do you want to know where this understanding happens...
like is it because it points to what we really are...?etc?
Hi Amati,
The search for me is not over, that is why day after day I find myself sitting at the computer spending edless hours reading about this, there is a drive here that will not let the seeking come to an end. Many teachers have said there is nothing to seek, but there is nothing to be done about the seeking; seeking will happen until it doesn't. In my seeking, I have come across some many teachers, some that are very clear and resonnate and some that are not so clear.
One thing I have always wondered about was the silent witness. Many teachers say that this is who you are, the watcher. But although the silent witness watches, there is still a recognition of what it watches. In other words it is impossible to see an object without naming it. Seeing is recognition. So their is a subtle subject/object split. U.G. Krishnamurti has said that he often does not know what it is that he is looking at because all of the conditioning(knowledge) has been thrown out of his system. If a stimulus from the outside comes, such a question, then this knowledge is available to him, but until then, there is no subject object relationship. Yhe mind can often splits itself into silent witness watching and object. This is still the mind. When I asked Marcus where the understanding takes place, I was trying to figure out if Dr. Shankar is trying to convey that it takes place in a more sophisticated mind or beyond the mind where "you" are not present, hence could nver know if understanding takes place or not.
hello madam,
thank you for telling me why.
you as such are not self conscious....thus all understanding...witness...being...what not....
is never "at" you but is allways away from you.
regards
Lucy's question: Does Dr. Shankar make a distiction between knowing and understanding?
Response:Knowing and realising happen through understanding. Understanding through intellect happens as knowing in the mind (sound). Understanding through intelligence happens as realizing in life (light).
Understanding as knowledge is sound, understanding as wisdom is light. The knowledgable is an illusory manifestation of sound, the enlightened is an illusory manifestation of light.
hello gurujiii...
cant see any understanding too........help
yours
disciple
Amati: cant see time...hello gurujiii...cant see any understanding too........help
Response: Words cannot be seen too for words and meaning (knowledge) is sound and understanding (wisdom) is light.
dear guruji....
1.how can understanding be light...?
one be the other....?
2. cant see time...but the world is( an illusion exists)...thus the need for understanding..a lot to understand....
but cant see anything such as understanding as well..please elicit...
3. what is the meaning of understanding ?
regards
amati
1.how can understanding be light...?
one be the other....?
Response: One is not separate from the other to be the other, one appears as the other and not separate from the other.
2. cant see time...but the world is( an illusion exists)...thus the need for understanding..a lot to understand....
but cant see anything such as understanding as well..please elicit...
Response: The ego wants to see. The ego cannot and does not actually see what it thinks, but only thinks it actually sees.
3. what is the meaning of understanding ?
Response: Grace.
hello guruji...
marcus>>1.how can understanding be light...?
one be the other....?
marcus Response: One is not separate from the other to be the other, one appears as the other and not separate from the other.
response>> if one appears as the other than one is not the other......and is separate....
"UNDERSTANDING" can be the LIGHT because it cant be either the source (of light) or the enlightened(what appears in the light).
then it is no more an understanding nor light...
this is what you/me/we are....
marcus>>The ego wants to see. The ego cannot and does not actually see what it thinks, but only thinks it actually sees.
response>> thats only what marcus thinks of the ego... is it not marcusji...?
There is no understanding to be seen because...it is the ultimate understanding itself which is "seeing".
marcus>>what is the meaning of understanding ?
marcus Response: Grace.
response>> agreed guruji..and that is why the world/mind is neither an illusion nor a reality.
regards
yours
amati