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No need for sleep these days after a thundering realization from our first "Friendship", a study in co-discovery.

Even after a 100 years, neo-advaita must be very delicate, because it is in no way comfortable talking in "any-man's" language. It even seems that the more rigorous advaita is, in avoiding John Doe's question with another question ("who is it that is asking that question"), the more it is prized as the regal jewel. Witness Tony Parsons, Sailor Bob, John Wheeler and others. These guys can only live by throwing "breakthrough imagery", some kind of total disconnect to what the subject's normal mind pattern contains. Maybe there's a need for that? And it does seem to get results, for a microscopic minority. That Lottery percentage is still enough to keep the rest of us going.

I always wondered why Truth is so ineffectual in showing up in people's lives? It has to be the ultimate hype? I also believe that "teaching" offered by every Tom, Dick and Harry is actually damaging. I have acquaintances that swear that they are enlightened for years, and can't even get a job as a bus driver. That would be okay, if they were living a life of joy. But not so, their energy feels as detached as a zombie.

Even Chris Hebard, yesterday posted an apology on Stillnessspeaks to a reader's accusation, "Come on, Chris, you are so full of s*** with this intellectual stuff, which you think is superior to I Am. You can't let go of intellect." To Chris's credit he responded, "To those who might share this view, I humbly respond: Please forgive me." Richard probably doesn't have much of that problem, being more of a bozo than an intellect. My apologies will take on a different tone.

Today I am here to say that the teacher/student relationship is the culprit. Any time someone plants an image in your mind that was pre-prepared, that is a dualistic violence. Many deny being a "teacher" but it doesn't matter what they say. If I go to them expecting to get something, and they come to me expecting to transmit something, that is the separation that such wisdom is tainted by. It is a pollution by a foreign image that I really have no use for. It fundamentally takes me away from this Now, sets up another benchmark, and it is a violence to non-duality. John Wheeler's grace is that he has a job, and doesn't depend on promulgating this questionable relationship.

I have seen "gurus" that ARE comfortable (truly free) talking in any language (yes English and others but) by which I mean the every day language of duality. We are led to believe that eliminating thought is a thought, (which multiplies thought), so that the only way to get a sense of non-duality is to not even tread on duality. Then we get all this contorted "politically correct" code-language.  

Many will even testify that no thought of ease is any better than a thought of disease. "Thoughts are all a load of rubbish". There must be a great fear of being caught or of circling, or of the scarcity of "no-time", even from the best teachers, and hence this violent insertion of "ringer" no-ideas.

The alternative is co-discovery and co-creation, one step at a time among peers. In truth we are all peers, let's just drop the pretenses. Maybe it is through venues like this forum? Maybe it is our new series "Friendship", a teacher-less peer to peer learning?
 

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1ST THIS IS NEW, AND A BIT CHALLENGING TO GET OUT

Okay, my fault, my fault. I mentioned names, and it is right to question my motives.

1.  I should have mentioned dead people, If I thought that such a reference would help get to the point. For instance a Nisargadatta Maharaj was known to go straight for the "ultimate reality".  And maybe someone had to forcefully expose the ultimate illusion.

My question is did that help? (to 100's yes, to millions no; and now we are getting into trickle down economics).  Why are these numbers so inconsequential for humanity?  We get used to saying even one is a giant step for humanity?  Such numbers would feel lame if they were attached to your paycheck, and pallid excuses wouldn't be so delectable.

2. Truth is, we believe in a teaching tradition, and Manjusri, one who I have always seen with the sword of truth cutting through illusion, is better thought of than one with less urgency who beats around the bush.  (The bush by the way is your apparent capacity to experience.)  I want to question the way we run the whole teaching tradition, ancient and modern, and all its participants, teachers and students, not just those few names listed above.  Neither am I saying to stop it.  Just find a new "peer to peer sharing" module, (and get off of the platform.)

Could the journey toward insight really be more a joyful romance? and not a carnage?  I think that it is absolutely the same thing.  A romance that leads you often enough astray or the sword that swings way above your knowable experience level, both leave you grasping for concepts, and stymie your life. Only the one has less side effects?

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Let’s be very honest

Hi Richard,

Let’s be very honest about this.
Take a look at the following words you wrote:

“to 100's yes, to millions no” and “Truth is, we believe in a teaching tradition”

Now what’s going on here? It takes a “person” to say “yes” or to say “no” As long as this “person” is convinced that he is the one that has to do the job then he can study books, watch all the internet sites and movies but he will be walking around in circles until the last day of his live. And maybe with a bit of luck he will see that he is not the one that is going to say “well now I take my last breath” no even this breath takes place and he has nothing to do with it. No “yes” no “no”.

The line: “Truth is, we believe in a teaching tradition” is even going a bit further. Now the person is not speaking only for itself, but also is telling that “we believe in a teaching” by witch the person is speaking for others also.
Now don’t get me wrong here. This is not criticism, just trying to help and see.

Let me remind you of the meeting you had with Mooji. Over and over again he told you that he did not want your answer, did not want a yes. There is nothing to believe in, there is nothing to say yes to. All there IS, is BEING. That’s all. It is so very obvious. The mind will never believe this. The only reason that there is participation from AYANOMA on this site is to shear this simple and wonderful message.

And for those that would like to know what AYANOMA is, look at the following site:
http://www.ayanoma.nl/nnh/ayanoma.html

AYANOMA

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The ultimate non-dual transgression?

Reading this article I wondered what is this al about.
I can’t imagine that this website Never Not Here is turning in to a kind of gossip place where we are going to tell witch teacher is talking the write way and witch teacher is talking the wrong way.

I hope very much that this article is not the start of a judging panel that is going to tell who is the best in the advaita world.

It may be that I don’t understand what this article is all about, but to me this has nothing to do with that love that is shining out of that what we really are.

With Love…

AYANOMA

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So what if it does turn into

So what if it does turn into a "judging panel"?

What's wrong with judging? Is that not another judgement?

It seems to me so much of "nonduality" is a religion of "non-judgement" or something. Which is just absurd (my judgement).

Come on, lets get real, there are no rules in this. Richard has every right to speak from his heart. I really enjoyed reading his post. It seemed to come from a genuine place, and was refreshingly human, in an environment that's so often about rejecting our humanness (which includes making judgements).

Rejecting your judgements is just a good way to get yourself all tied up in knots... "oh shit! i just made a judgement! better push those away..."

Does unconditional love have conditions against making judgements?

Like the Buddha said, be a light unto yourself. Nothing wrong, in my view, with questioning the views of the "great ones" who appear to have all the answers.

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It was not my purpose to hurt some one.

Oke, keep questioning. Keep questioning until a “you” has all the answers.
Keep judging until a “you” knows what is best.

Indeed, also my reaction can be seen as another judgment.
Thus that mean I should not react any more?
It was not my purpose to hurt some one.

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AYANOMA

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Lol. I'm sorry, I didn't mean

Lol. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to appear to harsh.

My point is... what's wrong with conflict and judgement? I enjoy conflict and judgement. I think it's really fun to argue and judge others. And I don't see any conflict between conflict and "unconditional love." It's just part of the video game.

Oh, and I think it's hilarious when people on nonduality forums turn the "me vs no-me" thing into a pissing contest. It really is great fun.

But anyways...

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The ultimate non-dual transgression

I agree. And moreover, judging or non-judging...don`t be so anxious about that. it`s exactly as it has to be. We are as we are,communicating. Communication needs words, words need thoughts (that`s our human condition). Our thoughts are dealing with what is important to us in our life and we need a feedback from those who understand us. That`s what matters.

If we speak only about "being" and just "be" and "Live!" there is not much more to say. Just shut up and BE.

Having no-thoughts we can`t communicate.We could of course meditate together but there are other places to that.
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¨Then we get all this contorted "politically correct" code-language.¨

Yeah I have this idea when people are constantly trying to be advaita-correct, that this just proves that they havn´t swallowed the whole pill yet. They talk the talk, but do they also walk the walk. And with this I mean: can they ´meet´ the genuine concerns of everyday human life, and not just bypass them in the name of advaita.
This is not to say that an occasional ¨Who´s asking?¨ is out of place. Or that we should delve inti personal stories that only tighten us up more. No not at all!
But there is a difference between naturally living the truth and merely applying the truth from an advaita blueprint.

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¨The alternative is co-discovery and co-creation, one step at a time among peers. In truth we are all peers, let's just drop the pretenses¨

Let´s sit with that for a moment. Mmmh, nice.

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the problem is that the model of learning anything which we in the west have been drilled in is "Pdagogy" which literally menas the teaching of children. This approcah works for "subjects" but when it comes to laerning who you are its next to useless. That's why in Vedanta there's a stress on No Teacher, No Guru, no student, no teaching. All that's required is to STOP, really stop all doing, including the doing of intending to stop, to come to the place you have always been. Unfortunately, what gets in the way is the deep attachment to being somebody and the fear that's generated by the potential loss of this somebody.

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