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Tendancies, the mechanism that holds us in "our Illusion"
Richard J MillerWhat is it that keeps us in seemingly endless cycles of repitition? Is it our turning away from any possible breakthrough?
Andreas from Sweden shares: Oh the talks with Dr. Shankar have been wonderful. Never heard him before, watching the first with just you and him made me burst into laughter. He seems to be authorative in his approach, questioning our beliefs - exposing them to us very directly.
- I enjoy hearing him say that life has its own way - whatever comes to man, it's just a reflection of life and that's how it has to be. Really doesn't get that complicated
- I would like to ask you - did you feel that some people were disturbed by his straightforwardness? That he seems to dismiss some questions before they are actually really formulated
- I myself take it as a way of pointing to what's relevant in his teaching - or "unteaching" of the mind.
I answered to him: Yes, I think that you are right that some people are disturbed by his directness. It is too bad that they miss out on his revelation, by clinging to ideas that they know and accepting only the hoped for verification of those thoughts. We can all take a lesson from how the human mechanism works. Even you and I are blocking new input on some subtle (or not too subtle) level. Yet Dr. Shankar is emphatic that there is nothing to "DO" about it. Let's just be open for that understanding to occur??
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Thank you for your concern for humanity which is on par with Richard's concern, if not more. Humanity awaits your review.
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as per usual in these situations, when someone is asked a detailed and specific question they go ahead and say soemething else, in this case to give a preview of forthcoming, no doubt containing tiresome references to light and sound, publications by the self proclaimed messiah vigai, and the sychophantic disciple in question will parrot the highy speculative, unsubstantiated statements of his new "guru".
All i can say to you is if you think that what you've exhibited is mature spirituality, let alone mature philosophical acumen, then I'm afraid my friend you are lost.
How fast the mind concludes!
as per usual the mind just listens to its own believes.
It may sound strange to you - as your mind, naturally, believes in real individuals in life - that for me there is no "disciple" and no "guru".
And I can becalm you: I am not lost, because I am aware that I do not think but thinking, speaking and doing happen to me. This realization simply happened to me, and trust, unconditional trust in life, whatever may happen (as an illusion), is the outcome of it.
Did you read all of Dr Shankar's books, as you think you know that there is not much more written than talk about "light and sound"? Dr Shankar writes about our daily lifes - "light and sound" is just the basis to point out that man is not the thinker, speaker or doer, and what "illusory" means.
By the way, I could not find your specific and detailed question. Would you please repeat it, for I must have missed it in your text. Thanks
My personal view of what Vijai had to say is that it came across as pseudo-scientific, his repeated use of light and sound to put forward a rather shallow metaphysics which is totaly unnecessary and unhelpful. If all he is trying to do is to present another way to contrast awareness and mind then fair enough but this has already been talked about ad infinitum by others and more simply.
i thought the point of nonduality was liberation and not just to talk.
Eckhart Tolle also talks about evolution of consciousness in a new earth and uses a poetic approach which has much more resonance.
It seems to me that awakening has to occur on the level of the mind, heart and the gut and this kind of spiritual talk just gets people into an endless loop
Without spiritual jargon Dr. Vijai Shankar opens, if it happens, our minds and makes us see clearly that man has always been free, is always free and will ever be free!
Not free to do whatever we want to do - quite the contrary: Man is always free from being the doer, speaker or thinker! In life there is no responsibility for man‘s actions and therefore no guilt at all and no anxiety of “what to do next?“. Life is providing for all that happens. Life is the doer, not man - if at all one could speak about actions in life, because, as Dr. Shankar explains in detail: The mind, man, actions and time are illusory and not real!
To explain the human mind in every detail Dr. Shankar intends to write at least 60 books in the Series “Absolute Understanding“ in which all the issues of mind in daily life are explained in detail. Volume 7 has been published recently and it covers the following topics:
1. Attraction
2. Sensations
3. Attachment
4. Satisfaction
5. Behaviour
6. Gossip
7. Guilt
8. Frustration
9. Conditioning
10. Life Settles.
This ends the apparently endless loop of the mind, if the understanding happens to the reader that man is not the thinker, speaker or doer.
Dr. Shankar's material is so clear, straightforward, and free of concepts, that it is unlike anything I have ever read. I will be reviewing Kaivalya Gita, Vol. 1 on my website, and can tell you that it will be getting my highest recommendation. It's like you have been drinking dirty water all your life, but never realized it until you had your first sip of clean water.
For example, after you have read Chapter 3 on LOVE, you realize that the "mind made" love that most of the humans on the planet think is love, is nothing of the sort. As Dr. Shankar says, true love is silence, so anything the mind says is noise, and therefore cannot be love. Just beautiful.
Thank you Dr. Shankar for sharing your wisdom and thank you Richard for doing such a great job of bringing it to us!
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