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The Paradox of Transitoriness, Illusoriness, Unreality and the Importance of Feelings


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There is a human scale to awakening that does not belie the cosmic. We awaken, or don’t awaken, to our formless nature through this particular body of ours. This body and the life it manifests is the vehicle of awakening, an absolutely unerring access to presence.

Sometimes awakening leads to a delirious yearning to transcend body and the world and leave all that messy illusoriness behind. Sometimes awakening awareness becomes sensualized and slides deeply into embodied awareness. There is no preferred path. There is no right or wrong in consciousness, only in mind.

So for the sake of discussion, imagine a spectrum of consciousness, inclusive from the very small, the subatomic of quantum physics to the very large, the macro of astrophysics and the spaciousness of millions of light years. And somewhere in this spectrum of consciousness, consciousness manifests as ant consciousness, human consciousness, planetary consciousness, lunar consciousness, solar consciousness, cosmic consciousness. So we start where we are.

I personally don’t have electron microscopic vision to see sub-atomic molecules and the emptiness in which electrons and protons spin around each other, or Hubble telescopic vision to see the vastness of outer space and the billions of stars and galaxies therein. When I get out of bed in the morning all I have as my starting point is my human vision, my human consciousness.

As formlessness, spaciousness, emptiness, Consciousness is detached, impersonal, everywhere and nowhere, prior to language, prior to conceptual understanding. IT simply IS.

Consciousness manifesting as human being manifests as individual self, as personal being, with mind and thoughts and feelings and the capacity for conceptual understanding and non-conceptual understanding, mind and body.

We are, to our inescapable confusion, individual being and cosmic being simultaneously. Only in Mind, in Language is there duality, otherwise everything is everything is energy is consciousness is energy is consciousness. And as you may know or come to realize, everything in form is a manifestation of the universe, a manifestation of the divine, a manifestation of absolute reality. As such the blink of our eyes or the act of breathing in and out is as much a cosmic event as a thousand mile solar flare or a meteorite floating in space.

So here we are, temporarily manifesting in form, learning or not learning what it is to be a conscious human being, living an awakened or illusory existence, viewing “self” and “other” through the filter of a mind created sense of self, conditioned with assumptions, social and cultural beliefs, expectations, and knowledge of who we think we are and how it is.

By contrast, everchangingness, impermanence is the keystone of the present moment, where potentiality resides in the unfolding moment itself. And just because actions, emotions and thoughts are transitory, just because physical life is transitory, doesn’t necessarily mean all is illusory. It simply means all is transitory. IT happens, life happens, laughter happens, grief happens, something else happens, then another something else happens and so on and so forth, in constant transition.

As you may have heard or read, there are those who say only That which doesn’t change is real. Therefore the mind created sense of self is not real, the body is not real, emotions are not real, they are all illusory, primarily because they are transitory. The only thing, which is not a thing, and is known by many labels, which lasts forever, is emptiness, spaciousness, stillness, formlessness, consciousness. And that is what we truly are. This of course “thinking mind” has a difficult time getting or accepting. Paradoxically, we don’t come to learn That except through form, which is extremely susceptible to wordplay and mind games.

Thus, “transitory” in many people’s minds equates with illusory, not real, but IT is real, it’s just ephemerally real, ungraspable by hand, unknowable by mind.

What do we consider “illusory” in spiritual seeking? One’s sense of self is an illusion, not real. And thoughts are not real, they are imaginary. And perceptions are illusory because they are interpretations. And physical reality is illusory because it is transitory. And so we are taught to think we exist in an illusory world, thinking illusory thoughts, having illusory perceptions and experiencing illusory emotions - because it is all transitory. Thus, we are to accept we are living in a dream from which we may awaken or not.

And according to Buddha, and now quantum physicists, at the core of life is emptiness, and spaciousness, and formlessness, no-self. And the daily life we live is metaphorically like flickering images projected on a movie screen, illusory in nature. Yet there is an “actuality” that is this planet Earth on which we project our collective and individual stories. And so we are as much “story” as we are “physical” reality.

Still, we are composed of the same energy and consciousness as the universe IS. And what IS, is possibility. What IS, is potentiality. What IS, is the aliveness of aliveness itself, the ever changing possibility that is life itself. That is what IS. And that is what we are. And just because life feels “transitory” doesn’t mean it’s “Illusory.” It’s simply transitory. And just because the moment is transitory doesn’t mean it’s not real. It’s just ephemeral.

Because we are in form a manifestation of the universe, we are hard-wired to “feel” the connectedness of everything is everything is everything. We cannot “think” our way to oneness. We either “feel” the “non-separation” or we experience the “separation” created by “thinking mind.” Or, more typically, we experience both, feeling it and not feeling it.

Water droplet in ocean is not different from ocean. Water droplet consciousness and oceanic consciousness are not essentially different. Yet sometimes water droplet can feel isolated and lonely. When water droplet peers at its oceanic surroundings through filters of assumptions, beliefs, experience, hopes, desires and expectations it may not see its connectedness, may not experience non-separation.

In awakening there is an inherent validity to feelings over the glibness of intellectual insights. Thinking mind can reason its way to the “unity of existence manifested as diversity” and still not experience the oneness. Have you noticed that if you don’t feel the non-separation, it really doesn’t matter that thinking mind says we are one, you still feel separate.

It is the “feeling” of non-separation that evokes human compassion, empathy and loving kindness. The willingness to experience feelings, hurtful or pleasurable, not avoid them, is the capacity to awaken human consciousness. Not just the capacity to “imagine” whatever, or to “think” whatever, but the capacity to “feel” whatever. Mind and heart ultimately must come into balance.

We are the same energy and consciousness as the universe. Energy and consciousness vibrating at a certain frequency creates “feelings” of harmony. Energy and consciousness vibrating at another frequency “feels” like dissonance. Again there is no right or wrong here but in the story of Buddha it seems it was “suffering” that was the pebble in his sandal that propelled his inquiry into the truth of suffering, the cessation of suffering, the truth of no-self and the truth of impermanence.

Notwithstanding the four noble truths, the eight fold path, the seven habits of successful people, or the twelve steps of AA, life and living is not to be found in formulas.

The crucial “feeling” is the feeling of aliveness itself, of embodied consciousness. That the body happens to be the resonating instrument to awakening our “feeling consciousness” is just one of those things.

And just because something is transitory doesn’t make it illusory, unreal, or valueless.

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Indifferent Relativism

Thank you, Monty for reflecting on the indifferent relativism, which often times is mistaken for 'non-duality'. What you identify as 'feeling', I would like to call virtue (the soul).

The problem with non-duality is that people desperately try to jump out of their skin or over their shadow, so to speak, on the notion of "illusion". We try to side step the Highest Good, and harmony, or soul-development. This is damaging to cultivation. It is actually a classical ego-action, which happens under the category of the saint-ego. We jump into the "Absolute" as a desperate act of escaping our necessary suffering. It corresponds with the scientific understanding of neurosis, or even psychosis.

The other form of neurosis/psychosis is the "sinner", where we are blamed to feel guilty for something we are not account-able for essentially. It is called 'condemnation'. A very useful tool for the ones who want power over others.

The whole point of virtue is that it engages in the ability to account for any given situation in a certain way within the world of humanity, which is a world of self-awareness with many different forces, interests, groups, governments, countries, individuals, relationships, etc...

To say that this is "illusion" is just nonsense.

Sure, the warrior learns not to identify with the blood and the gore of the battle. The baker learns not to jump naked into the dough. The piano player learns to play from the point of the witness rather than spelling out note by note with his concrete mind. Yet all of them are involved in doing something by way of virtue. An they are able to account for it as a 'mastery' of sword fighting, baking or piano playing.

The whole point of mastery seems to be that virtue engages without being identified. This is Doing.

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Illusory ≠ unreal!

Mtony502: And just because something is transitory doesn’t make it illusory, unreal, or valueless.

Response: Quotes Dr. Shankar:

1. The reality of illusion is its illusoriness.

2. Only the illusory could be enjoyed, not the real.

3. Illusory does not mean that it does not exist, it exists, but not in the manner the mind thinks it exists.

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Marcus: Quotes Dr. Shankar:

1. The reality of illusion is its illusoriness.
2. Only the illusory could be enjoyed, not the real.
3. Illusory does not mean that it does not exist, it exists, but not in the manner the mind thinks it exists.

Response: I am so terribly amused (bliss) by this....not because it is delusional, but because it is true - except for the concept of "illusion" of course...

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One Arrives at Nirvana by Way of Samsara

"Discussions" of illusoriness is catnip to Mind, the Master Story Teller and Dream Weaver. And that's okay.

There's a story about first there were mountains and clouds, and then they weren't mountains and clouds anymore. "I" or "somebody" was graced with the "insight" that they were "really" illusions of perception, "essentially" unreal. And "I" or "somebody" wandered for years, maybe decades, with that "insight," pointing out to self and others what was real and what was not real, but usually pointing out what was illusory. Then the insight somehow settled down and worked itself out, and "I" woke up one day and saw that the clouds and mountains were once again clouds and mountains.

In a similar way, there once was a "self", that was blessed with the insight of "no-self," which frankly was upsetting at first because it didn't feel like liberation, more like confusion, and "talking" about it got really convoluted because "I" and "me" were, you know, "illusory.

So who was "talking" and "thinking" and "feeling" if it wasn't "me"? You can guess, of course, it was "not-me", "no-self", this "body-mind" entity, "formless awareness", anything other than "me" because, you know, "I'm" not real. I mean I could look for "me" for a million years and never find "me" anywhere, right? Talk about a dog chasing its tail!

But somehow this mental chatter and activity began to simmer down, in spite of mind as it were, and mind quieted down sufficiently that the "problem" of "me", of "identity" kind of fell away not because of a "deeper insight" but because it sort of just dropped away, evaporated if you will. I mean there still is a "me", a "point of view", but it's not a problem anymore. It's just a "me", just a "thought", just a "feeling", just another content of consciousness.

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Identity is the stake of the ONE engaging as time. Without identity Tony would not be marveling about it and Marcus would not understan "illusion". In fact (of identity), this website would not exist, the internet would not exist, words and thoughts would not exist, humanity would not exist, other life forms would not exist, the planet earth, the solar system, and the universe would not exist.

'Identity' is the very foundation of 'non-duality', not an "illusion". Integration is the key.

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Understanding of the illusion.

Andreas: Without identity Tony would not be marveling about it and Marcus would not understan "illusion"

Response: Understanding as knowledge happens in the mind. Understanding as wisdom happens in life and not in the mind, for the mind is the illusion itself.

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Marcus: Understanding as knowledge happens in the mind. Understanding as wisdom happens in life and not in the mind, for the mind is the illusion itself.

Response: The wisdom POINT integrates knowledge with intelligence/light as wisdom by unthinking (essencing) and creates world by thinking out of light (presencing) - there is no illusion - just exposure.

There is more to "illusion" than meets the eye.

The ONE engages as time.

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The false sense of freedom

Andreas: The wisdom POINT integrates knowledge with intelligence/light as wisdom by unthinking (essencing) and creates world by thinking out of light (presencing) - there is no illusion - just exposure.

Response: Let's assume that the world were real: There is no freedom of individual action at all, because no individual is independent from the outside world. The false sense of freedom arises from the false sense of separation.

If "Wisdom POINT" is not an individual but the world itself, there would be no need to unthink for everything would always happen as it was intended before thinking it.

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Marcus: Let's assume that the world were real: There is no freedom of individual action at all, because no individual is independent from the outside world. The false sense of freedom arises from the false sense of separation.

If "Wisdom POINT" is not an individual but the world itself, there would be no need to unthink for everything would always happen as it was intended before thinking it.

Response: The point of wisdom is not concerned with whether something is 'real' or 'illusory', so it does not "assume that the world is real"; only reasoning does assume such things. "The freedom of individual action" is another reasoning assumption. The conclusion of these reasoning assumptions,..."because no individual is independent from the outside world. The false sense of freedom arises from the false sense of separation." is a reasoning conclusion, not thinking.

The ONE engages as time, individuation based on form and identity is the way. Self-World is the integral structure/vehicle for the human experience and mind.

The ONE does not require any concept of 'reality' or 'illusion' in that. It is the human mind that is free to be discontent, that does require the difference of "illusion".

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Is Andreas always contented?

Andreas: It is the human mind that is free to be discontent, that does require the difference of "illusion".

Response: If the human mind were free to be discontent, it were also free to be contented. Is Andreas always contented?

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Freedom

Discontent I am, contented I am, mysterious it may be. There is the pervasive discontent of the restlessness of existence, but also the discontent of the Thinker in his creation. There is the lazy contentedness of the loafer of life, and the contentedness of the Thinker who creates.

The wisdompoint is not interested in being contended, because it accepts necessary difficulty, struggle and suffering. True contentedness is a transcendent function of birth and death, self and world.

The ONE engages as time - not for nothing. Buddhism and Advaita are second guessing the ONE as time, calling it illusion or Maya. This is a "freedom" of the mind, but not necessarily absolute understanding yet.

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Would man suffer, if he were the thinker?

Andreas: The wisdompoint is not interested in being contended, because it accepts necessary difficulty, struggle and suffering.

Response: Absolute understanding is the understanding that difficulty, struggle and suffering are illusory, not necessary. Something could only appear necessary if there is a goal you want to achieve. What could that goal be, for life is without a final destination?

If you were the thinker, you would never allow difficulty, struggle and suffering to appear in the first place!

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Marcus: Something could only appear necessary if there is a goal you want to achieve. What could that goal be, for life is without a final destination?

Response: The wisdompoint does absolutely not agree with this thinking proposition or 'revelation'. That should have become clear via all the postings so far.

The Absolute and the relative are integral to each other, and there is a final destination for the relative, predicated by the Absolute as the innate intention and will revealing itself via light and intelligence.

The un-questionable Bias of a-dvaita does not account for that. It only accounts for "checking out", and therefore can not apprehend any notion of intention and goal for the Absolute.

In the end, the human mind can not fathom this difference one way or another via reasoning OR 'revelation'.

In the meantime thinking creates out of light though. That is just a matter of being attentive and practical to our possibilities as humans.

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"Final destination"

Wisdompoint: "The Absolute and the relative are integral to each other, and there is a final destination for the relative, predicated by the Absolute as the innate intention and will revealing itself via light and intelligence."

Response: So the Absolute determines the final destination (if there is any), not the ego!

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Marcus: So the Absolute determines the final destination (if there is any), not the ego!

Andreas: Of course...the "ego" is a dis-function of the opening of self-awareness.

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No action - no doer!

Marcus: So the Absolute determines the final destination (if there is any), not the ego!

Andreas: Of course...the "ego" is a dis-function of the opening of self-awareness.

Response: If Andreas believes to be the doer, speaker and thinker AND that it is the absolute which determines life, Andreas takes himself to be the absolute and gives the absolute the attributes of his ego. The ego dreams to be a personal God.

Life, the absolute, is pure light which reflects itself as reflected light which appears as sound too. This sound appears to the mind as words with meanings which it takes for real in life. The absolute does neither have destinations nor does the absolute do any actions. Destinations and actions are in the mind, manifested by life as an auditary illusion of sound.

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