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Self-Knowledge for Knuckleheads page 4 of 25:
'A Simple Test to See if You're a Knucklehead,
An Airhead or a Brickhead'
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is there a difference in seeing "that i am not the self"
and "that there can be no such a thing as self"?
does " i am not solid" mean that there is something else "solid"?
is true solidity the absence of thinness.
or is true solidity the absence of the absence of thinness too and not just the absence of thinness?
rigveda: before conception....there are no things( solid or thin , self or no self) ....and there is no absence of things either. FOR THINGS HAVE NOT YET BEEN CONCIEVED FOR THEIR ABSENCE TO BE
so can i ask you again baxy?: does " i am not the self" mean that there is something else(truly solid(fullness) or truly thin(epmtyness) etc etc ) as the self?
regards baxy....
Yes!
if i understand you right, you've hit it on the head.
the self must be that final/original solidness which supports consciousness and everything that happens in consciousness, including concepts about solidness.
i think of it like a painting. the painter dips his brush in liquid paint and moves forward toward the solid canvas. no expression of that generic medium (in this case the paint, in general the consciousness) can occur or be experienced until it lands on something more solid, the canvas (the self).
in every case, nothing happens or may be experienced until something less solid meets something more solid.
in the case of this manifest world, can world-perception hang on more world-perception, can air hang on more air? no. even the most solid thing in the world is an unexpressed liquid until it hits that surface which must be more abstract yet more solid than everything else.
self is nothing more or less than existence in its non-local yet infinitely dense form, and this then serves as the universal basis for all expressions and experiences of those expressions within consciousness.
well done, angryidiot!
baxy
dear baxy
the hand , nor the brush nor the canvas tell you or anyone
either before the paining nor after the painiting is completed, "what " has been expressed nor not.
that is...say for instance we all are conscious or awrae or know that leanardo painted the mona lisa.
when baxita or this angry idiot looks at mona lisa...is it the eye which says it is mona lisa? forget mona lisa
draw a line on a peice of paper , the eye doesnt say it is a line either.
but yet we are convinced that it is indeed a "line".
once this is seen that neither the eye nor the hand nor the paper nor the pen tell anyone it is a "line" next thing that comes up is that 'line" is not a "line" but rather an objectification of something "real" that takes place in the "mind".
and mind without such objectification is the "pure mind" or the "solid mind".
where as what masters point to for those who have come this far is that there is no mind at all.
that there is an mind is the illusion of life.
no mind doesnt mean there is an absence of mind, but rather
(using the double negative of wei wu wei) the absence of absence of mind too.
regards baxy
you got it.
i like where you say: mind without such objectification is the "pure mind" or the "solid mind"
and also where you say: no mind doesnt mean there is an absence of mind
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how about this for a triple negative: rejecting the rejection of the dream, i enjoy my dinner.
this is the difference between the first mountain (as in 'first there is a mountain') and the last (as in 'then there is no mountain, then there is).
in both cases, there is a world, but in the second case we've gotten over the devastating effect of the recognized glimpse of solid self (that there is no mountain/world) and, knowing the world for what it is, enjoy it.
bravo angryidiot, regards baxy
p.s. i read our exchange to my wife, and she says to tell you that you are no idiot.
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