The imminent, severe contraction of the dream.
When an eternal optimist like Tony Robbins comes out with an alert pointing to a the coming severe contraction of the dream that we are in, it's worth some attention.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/even-tony-robbins-is-warning...
Yes, we can be in it but not of it.
But that doesn't mean that we should practice willful ignorance within the dream.
As long as we are apparitions within the Grand Apparition.
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So is that what you will say to a neighbor, relative, or friend of yours who may no longer have the means to feed, clothe and house his/her children?
Or your own children, if you ever find yourself in that position?
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P.S. At the very end of this audio clip of Paul H.'s, he speaks about his past meetings with Ramesh Balsekar. It's very relevant to this discussion, and it speaks to how Ramesh always began his discussions.
http://zenbitchslap.com/downloads/8-7-10sat.mp3
Sorry if I can't give you a more accurate reference point re. where he discusses those episodes with Ramesh; Paul doesn't include such markers in his audio files. But it's almost towards the very end.
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P.P.S. His comments re. "Advaita Pharisees"... which immediately precede those of his meetings with Ramesh... may also be worth some attention.
Peter ( = obviously a man with the means to feed, clothe and house his children):
So is that what you will say to a neighbor, relative, or friend of yours who may no longer have the means to feed, clothe and house his/her children? Or your own children, if you ever find yourself in that position?
Response: The depth of understanding reflects the quality of speech happening, which is witnessed in any situation as an auditary illusion of sound. Past, present and future are illusory thoughts too.
All concepts about what to think, say or do in a hypothetical situation indicate a doer if they are taken for real.
In that case, marcus.... and if you should ever find yourself in the position of not being able to provide food, housing, and clothing for your children... may you not cross paths with someone who will respond to your needs as you do.
Instead, may you meet someone who can help you to provide your children with what they need.
Peter: In that case, marcus.... and if you should ever find yourself in the position of not being able to provide food, housing, and clothing for your children... may you not cross paths with someone who will respond to your needs as you do.
Response: The understanding that man is not the doer, speaker and thinker because deeds, speech and thoughts are auditary and optical illusions of light and sound reveals that any situation, albeit illusory, is unpredictable and uncontrollable.
Therefore any conclusion about the future behaviour of Marcus in a certain situation is of the conditioned mind and not a reality in life.
Trust is yet to happen to man who believes in conclusions about the future. This understanding obviously is the need of Peter not food, albeit illusory.
hello gurujii
marcus>>and not a reality in life.
amati>> clear understanding .....
please elicit then ..what is reality in life...
regards
amati
PS >>> let me share with you a fun story...dear peter are you listening too..?
there was a couple and the wifes brother( unemployed) used to live with them. When ever he asked for something say like money ..and the couple refused...he threatened them..see if you dont oblige ..I will take SANYASA....and go away.....The husband never fell for it but the wife used to cave in. After every such incident however she used to ask her husband ....dear hubby how does one become a sanyasa...how does one become a sanyasa.... one day the husband had enough of his brother in law and just then the wife asked him ...how does one become a sanyasa...?
the husband simply ripped his clothes off, became naked and saying to his wife..." THIS IS HOW....." left home and became a sanyasa.....
SO I AM REALLY SCARED TO ASK MARCUS WHAT IS REALITY WHAT IS ILUSION THAT OFTEN..HE LOOKS SO GULLABLE in those vedios >>GOD KNOWS WHAT HE WILL DO, MY DEAR GURUJI....>.........
yours amati
Amati: please elicit then ..what is reality in life...
REsponse: Reality is not IN life. The real reflects itself AS life which is illusory.
hello marcus...
gurujii>>Reality is not IN life. The real reflects itself AS life which is illusory.
response>> please elicit...
1.is the image formed by the mirror.... on it..or in it...?
2. And why is reality not in life...? can you explain..?
regards
amati
Amati: 1. is the image formed by the mirror.... on it..or in it...?
Response: The mirror and the image are both illusory images of consciousness.
Consciousness is the mirror and IS the image, therefore consciousness is the first illusion of awareness (the real).
Amati: 2. And why is reality not in life...? can you explain..?
Response: Reality does not change, meaning does not move. The real reflects as life that changes, meaning that appears to move. The mind takes thoughts to be real entities in life, but thoughts are illusory labels and not what happens in life. Life is a singular movement of light and sound (Bindu and Naada), a spontaneous transformation of energy, that reflect optical and auditory illusions of individuals, actions, space and time in the mind.
dear marcus...
marcus>>Consciousness is the mirror and IS the image, therefore consciousness is the first illusion of awareness (the real).
response>> there is no such thing as in life or out of life... thats what you must have answered....
any way ...consciousness is the first illusion of awareness...??????
then it is not awareness.
marcus>>Amati: 2. And why is reality not in life...? can you explain..?
Response: Reality does not change, meaning does not move. The real reflects as life that changes, meaning that appears to move. The mind takes thoughts to be real entities in life, but thoughts are illusory labels and not what happens in life. Life is a singular movement of light and sound (Bindu and Naada), a spontaneous transformation of energy, that reflect optical and auditory illusions of individuals, actions, space and time in the mind.
RESPONSE>>>> REALITY IS NOT IN/OUT of life because.....
both are the same and not two.
HOWEVER wheter they are not two or seperate or in/out etc etc isnt any bit of concern to US as YOU/ME/WE are already truly dead.
regards
your
AMATI: image and mirror dear marcus...marcus>>Consciousness is the mirror and IS the image, therefore consciousness is the first illusion of awareness (the real). response>> there is no such thing as in life or out of life... thats what you must have answered....any way ...consciousness is the first illusion of awareness...?????? then it is not awareness.
RESPONSE: AWARENESS (THE REAL) REFLECTS ITSELF AS CONSCIOUSNESS, THE FIVE ELEMENTS, MATTER, VEGETATION, ANIMALS, MAN AND MIND.
AMATI: marcus>>Amati: 2. And why is reality not in life...? can you explain..? Response: Reality does not change, meaning does not move. The real reflects as life that changes, meaning that appears to move. The mind takes thoughts to be real entities in life, but thoughts are illusory labels and not what happens in life. Life is a singular movement of light and sound (Bindu and Naada), a spontaneous transformation of energy, that reflect optical and auditory illusions of individuals, actions, space and time in the mind. RESPONSE>>>> REALITY IS NOT IN/OUT of life because.....both are the same and not two.
RESPONSE: BOTH ARE THE SAME AND NOT TWO, YET APPEAR AS TWO, WHICH HAS TO BE UNDERSTOOD.
AMATI: HOWEVER wheter they are not two or seperate or in/out etc etc isnt any bit of concern to US as YOU/ME/WE are already truly dead.
RESPONSE: Death is a manifestation of life. Death cannot exist without life in the dead. The appearance of death however is illusory as is any appearance. Every moment the body is dead but appears alive. One moment the body appears dead but is nevertheless alive.
HOW DOES THIS AFFECT YOUR DAILY LIFE, ILLUSORY IT MAY BE? DOES THE EGO REACT OR NOT? DO ARGUMENTS WITH WIFE AND CHILDREN STILL HAPPEN OR ARE YOU FREE OF EXPECTATIONS? IF YOU ARE NOT FREE OF THE CONDITIONED MIND THERE IS A LOT WHICH NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD, HOWEVER NOT AS AN EFFORT OF THE EGO, IT WILL HAPPEN OR NOT AS PART OF THE EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS OF LIFE!!!
Love to family, yours, Marcus
hello guruji...
you are my family ...big brother...
marcus>>RESPONSE: AWARENESS (THE REAL) REFLECTS ITSELF AS CONSCIOUSNESS, THE FIVE ELEMENTS, MATTER, VEGETATION, ANIMALS, MAN AND MIND.
response>> so you are my gurujii after all..diligently deducing what article I am reading...!!!!...anyway..
RESPONSE>>>> awareness or what is .....has no self consiousness....to reflect itself....
that is why marcus almost all ancient religions have two heads a Father and a Mother. The father as such is never self conscious....thus that trace must be from the "MOther"
two...but not two...
marcus>>Death is a manifestation of life. Death cannot exist without life in the dead. The appearance of death however is illusory as is any appearance. Every moment the body is dead but appears alive. One moment the body appears dead but is nevertheless alive.
response>>> that is why I termed the death I was refrreing to as true death and called us "truly" dead.... I was refrreing it to something else ...but me thinks we can let it be there....
marcus>>>HOW DOES THIS AFFECT YOUR DAILY LIFE, ILLUSORY IT MAY BE? DOES THE EGO REACT OR NOT? DO ARGUMENTS WITH WIFE AND CHILDREN STILL HAPPEN OR ARE YOU FREE OF EXPECTATIONS? IF YOU ARE NOT FREE OF THE CONDITIONED MIND THERE IS A LOT WHICH NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD, HOWEVER NOT AS AN EFFORT OF THE EGO, IT WILL HAPPEN OR NOT AS PART OF THE EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS OF LIFE!!!
response>> I/what is has to be self conscious, first , for adressing any of the above....
as both the I and what is are not......none of the above issues really are a bothering....
I realises it in fact is not self consious...thus WHat is is realised to be not self conscious.....
ONE MORE THING MARCUS... in the article ABSOLUTE UNDERSTANDING an unnecessary?? coma occurs...
everything was happenning even when I was thinking,I was doing...
however this coma too is beautiful as the same is reached when read simply thus....
even when I was thinking, I was doing.
so what am I?..not self conscious.....
that is why I am doing even when I am thinking...
of course the I is no more a I and is simply the unconscious "what is"....
regards
amati
yours
Peter: When an eternal optimist like Tony Robbins comes out with an alert pointing to a the coming severe contraction of the dream that we are in, it's worth some attention.
Response: Attention indicates a doer. A man of understanding will naturally give no attention to the mind.
Peter: Yes, we can be in it but not of it.
Response: To believe that we are in the dream is the dreaming. Understanding reveals that "we", "in" and "it" is illusory and not real.
Peter: But that doesn't mean that we should practice willful ignorance within the dream.
Response: "To avoid practicing wilful ignorance" is taking the dream for real.
Peter: As long as we are apparitions within the Grand Apparition.
Response: There is not a Grand Apparition and small apparitions. The illusory is one singular movement.
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