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Friendship 18, Nicholas Powiull
Whoa, I think that you are going to like Nicholas. This one is at the top of my list, take some time to absorb. People know this, all over the world. If this is you, come on "Open Mic" and tell us about it. Call me. Write me. Text me. Send me a chat.
At the very least, write a few comments.
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Thank you for commenting. Life is more subtler than illusion versus real, it seems both appearances appear equally. I wouldn't worry yourself about that, rather it appears illusory or appears real, it is still appearing.
Wow, I commend you for trying to read all those comments LOL, I wouldn't expect anybody to do that LOL. Delighted you got nothing out of it LOL. You're still left with this, as it is. :)
Blessings Z
Nicholas: Thank you for commenting. Life is more subtler than illusion versus real, it seems both appearances appear equally. I wouldn't worry yourself about that, rather it appears illusory or appears real, it is still appearing.
Response: All appearances are illusory and not some are illusory and some are real. The real is not an appearance but reflects itself as the illusory which is but an appearance. Therefore the illusory and the real are not separate.
Nicholas: Wow, I commend you for trying to read all those comments LOL, I wouldn't expect anybody to do that LOL. Delighted you got nothing out of it LOL. You're still left with this, as it is. :)
Response: Z is obviously NOT still left with "this, as it is". He is "not quite sure", "somewhat obvious", he "supposes" and he has "tried to follow" for "a while" and he "seems to have gotten lost along the way".
Clear understanding (as wisdom not as knowledge alone) is needed.
Z: I suppose that all of the wordzzz flying back and forth between them on the extensive comment thread are illusions as well?
Response: Words are sound and not an actuality in life. Yet, illusory words condition the mind to believe that the world of thoughts is real. And illusory words - if it happens - de-condition the mind and an understanding happens that the world, man and mind is illusory and not real.
Suzanne,
Did you read the NNH-forum topic "Spiritual Beliefs"?
If reading happens/happened - do you understand it?
Suzanne: No, I don't understand anything.
Response: Understanding happens to man as knowledge through the intellect which is in the mind. Understanding, again, happens in intelligence, which is light, that reveals an understanding that knowledge is illusory and not real.
Perhaps better said with fewer words; perhaps best said with none at all.
Suzanne: Marcel Marceau's Greatest Role
Response: The movements of a mime artist's body, though he does not speak, are interpreted by the minds of the audience in form of words. This reveals how "silence" is transformed into interpretations by the mind.
Suzanne: Perhaps better said with fewer words; perhaps best said with none at all.
Response: Knowledge in man's mind is huge, much has to be said about it to reveal the illusoriness of all knowledge. This sharing happens as part of the sophistication-process of life and the amount of words used to explain is not the choice of man.
If an understanding happens in "silence", this is also what is meant to happen and nothing could be done about it either.
Again: Understanding happens to man as knowledge through the intellect which is in the mind. Understanding, again, happens in intelligence, which is light, that reveals an understanding that knowledge is illusory and not real.
Understood?
Understood. Also understood that any story about some apparently unfolding process, no matter how to the point it seems, is a conceptual story. There is no time.
Suzanne: The Greatest Role of All...(Superlatives Confer Judgment)
Response: Superlatives and judgments are illusory not wrong.
Suzanne: ... any story about some apparently unfolding process, no matter how to the point it seems, is a conceptual story. There is no time.
Response: Conditioning is a process in illusory time. De-conditioning is a process in illusory time. Realization that the mind, individuals and time are illusory is a spontaneous, unpredictable and uncontrollable happening albeit illusory.
Hey Marcus, as the Cable Guy says...I'm just pullin' your chain Dude.
Suzanne: I'm just pullin' your chain Dude.
Response: Do you understand that "you pulling the chain" is illusory, Suzanne?
Hi Nicholas, I can't properly run the interview here at the internet cafe in Plaka, Crete with limited broadband, but from what little I can see you're looking hot! It might be meaningful to meet in blessed silence with Marcus up top of the comments.
You lost internet at home?
Good to hear from you Suzy, thank you for the support!
Nicholas: Good to hear from you Suzy, thank you for the support!
Response: Does Truth need support?
Nicholas: You're a wonderful friend indeed!
Response: "Friends help each other" - this is what the mind believes.
Nicholas: Much Love to you my dear! *Hugs*
Response: Is it love to support the beliefs of each other?
We are talking about the same thing.
And there is no 'we', 'talking', or any 'thing'.
Nicholas: We are talking about the same thing.
Response: O.k. now teach me: What is the "thing" you are talking about? Then I could say whether we talk about the same, not before.
Nicholas: And there is no 'we', 'talking', or any 'thing'.
Response: Teach me about that, too. Man believes in "we", "talking" and "things". Make it clear to humanity, if it happens!
What is "we"?
What is "talking"?
What is a "thing"?
Does it really not exist? Marcus never said, it does not exist! It is Nicholas who said that!
I cannot teach you anything. You are already being life.
Humanity takes care of itself by humaning. The Universe happens the way it happens.
Nicholas: Humanity takes care of itself by humaning. The Universe happens the way it happens.
Response: Life reflects itself as universe and humanity. Everything happens in the mind in an illusory manner, nothing happens in life. Therefore "practicing silence" is illusory. And the silence which the mind could practice in an illusory manner is not real silence but apparent absence of sound. Practice is contradictory to "the universe happens". Do you understand?
Nicholas: Life is paradoxical and contradictory, so it seems.
Response: Mind is paradoxical and contradictory. Understanding life is crystal clear.
Real silence couldn't be practiced, for it is real and could not be perceived as such.
Only sound, the reflection of the real, could be perceived, for it is illusory.
Yes life appears in infinite appearances.
Nicholas: Yes life appears in infinite appearances.
Response: Therefore "practicing silence" is illusory.
Yes "practicing silence" is illusory. Using the illusion to point out of the illusion. There is no separate individual there who can practice silence since silence is always present and never changing. There is no opposite to silence. Noise is the silence itself. Words are just noise, like a barking dog; nonsense. The mind can never practice silence because the mind thinks something is happening, so it thinks practicing silence is just doing the opposite of sound. Silence cannot be perceived by the mind since the mind is sound. The mind knows nothing of silence but tries to control it by 'meeting in silence". Silence does exist but the way the mind understands it. Real silence understands mind as only nonsense sound and not as real.
Am I speaking your language now? lol
Nicholas: Yes "practicing silence" is illusory. Using the illusion to point out of the illusion. There is no separate individual there who can practice silence since silence is always present and never changing. There is no opposite to silence. Noise is the silence itself. Words are just noise, like a barking dog; nonsense. The mind can never practice silence because the mind thinks something is happening, so it thinks practicing silence is just doing the opposite of sound. Silence cannot be perceived by the mind since the mind is sound. The mind knows nothing of silence but tries to control it by 'meeting in silence". Silence does exist but the way the mind understands it. Real silence understands mind as only nonsense sound and not as real.
Am I speaking your language now? lol
Response: Speaking the language of understanding and understanding are not one and the same. The spiritualist's language is highly sophisticated and could prevent a real understanding from happening. Find out for yourself the depth of understanding which has happened to you:
Noise is sound and not silence. Words are not nonsense, they provide an opportunity to understand that words and meanings are illusory and not nonsense. "Using the illusion to point out of the illusion", is just another illusion because there is no "outside" the illusion.
A barking dog is a miracle for barking happens to a dog and dog does not make barking happen, just as speaking happens to man and man does not make speaking happen.
Man or mind can never practice anything, let alone silence, for man is not the doer. Everything happens to man which means he just cannot be the doer. The mind cannot control life or time, so to control is illusory.
Silence is pure light. If real silence understands mind as nonsense, it means real silence is not real, it is still the ego.
That man is not the doer is a lipservice for the so called awakened. Sooner or later a technique to achieve non-doership gets presented and is taken to be real: “meeting in silence“!
Suzanne Foxton‘s blog: What Is it Ye Would See? If Aught of Woe or Wonder, Cease Your Search: “...the intensity of being is fully there, you are it, it is you. But pretending to be someone is not a choice, nor is to drop it. What wants to drop it is what is dropped. But it could drop away at any time.“
Suzanne: “...it would be especially meaningful to meet in blessed silence with Marcus“
Response: "Meeting in silence" is a spiritual disease! Understand mind as sound, if it happens. Real silence is independent from presence or absence of thoughts, for it could never be controlled by the mind.
Nicholas: Oh Marcus, you have so much fun on this site, it's great!
Response: Sharing an understanding with humanity is bliss not fun. "Having fun" and "that having fun is great" are all functions of an ego and mind.
I Love that no matter what is said, you always come back rejecting what was said as being ego and mind. I mean that sincerity, I really do love it. I love you rather you agree with me or not.
I can only see the beloved disguised as someone named Marcus.
Nicholas: I Love that no matter what is said, you always come back rejecting what was said as being ego and mind.
Response: Nothing has been REJECTED, but explained to be illusory.
Nicholas: I can only see the beloved disguised as someone named Marcus.
Response: Love could not be seen or named, nor is there an I present in love. Love is silence. Silence could not be practiced. Silence appears as sound too.
If you nobody is here, then who are you explaining the illusory to?
Nicholas: If you nobody is here, then who are you explaining the illusory to?
Response: The illusory points to its own illusoriness. Illusory does not mean that it does not exist, it exists but not in the manner the mind thinks it exists. Therefore "nobody is here" is not understanding. The ego takes thoughts for real entities in life, the witness, a sophisticated ego, understands mind as sound.
Isn't this fun, appearances of bodies seemingly throwing words around and yet nothing is being said.
Nicholas: Isn't this fun, appearances of bodies seemingly throwing words around and yet nothing is being said.
Response: An understanding may happen through illusory words - the illusory is not "nothing", it is all there is. Only the illusory could be enjoyed, not the real.
Nicholas: Yeah I enjoy the illusion, all of it ;)
Response: The "I" only enjoys the mind as real not as illusory!!!
The ego takes thoughts for real and enjoys the mind as if it were real. The witness, a sophisticated ego, understands mind as sound and illusory. This is real enjoyment.
Still living in the question mark here and that is enjoyment too. Maybe we can battle it out to see who has more enjoyment. LOL Such silly words we are dancing with.
Nicholas: Still living in the question mark here and that is enjoyment too. Maybe we can battle it out to see who has more enjoyment. LOL Such silly words we are dancing with.
Response: Understand that words revealing the illusory as illusory are not "silly" but an expression of life's intelligence, whereas the perception of such words as a battle happens in the intellect and prevents from listening.
The ego is attentive to words and takes their meanings for real in life, such as "battle". The witness, a sophisticated ego, is aware of a singular movement of light and sound and understands it to be illusory.
Yes and a subtle ego can seemingly hide-out in an understanding that it knows something. It can understand itself as "attentive to words and takes their meanings for real in life" and know itself so hide behind that layer of understanding because that is the last place it will be noticed.
I am just saying this based on an finite experience that unfolded here once, I am not saying this to direct something personally to you. For how could I know what your experience is or what you going through. No subjective experience can be known since there is no way to prove subjective experience and there is no way to confirm if our subjective experiences are correct even to ourselves.
Based on my experience, I am quite questioning of myself (and 'others') if I really feel what I am saying is known and understood as something correct (for what could know or be right other than an ego, which there is nothing wrong with by the way). In other words, I don't buy my own bullshit. Everything I say is only limited poetry at best. Everything I say is just a poetic metaphor for one of infinite possibilities that can unfold here in this mystery we call life. Nothing I say is actual or believed.
Nicholas: In other words, I don't buy my own bullshit. Everything I say is only limited poetry at best.
Response: Talking about the "real", "silence", "direct experience of oneness" (don't know if these are exactly your words) is bound to be poetry and bullshit, for nothing could be said about it. Only the illusory could be understood to be illusory and explained as such. This is not poetry but plane, clear prose. The illusory, however, is not separate from the real, it is the reflection of the real. The illusory, if understood as illusory by the witness, reveals itself as the real, but not as the real as such, only in its illusory reflection.
Ney Nicholas, I haven't looked/listened to the meaningless images/sounds of the interview properly, I'm at an internet cafe in Crete with limited broadband. But just to say what little I could see looks great, you are apparently lookin' good in your illusory way and that it would be especially meaningful to meet in blessed silence with Marcus at the top of the comments!
It must not have gone through the first time and then showed up later, happens to me all the time :)
Nicholas: Thank you for the compliment Suzy, you are too sweet for your own good! I hope your husband knows how lucky he is."
Response: Feeding each other's ego with compliments is not wrong, but is it love?
It is somewhat obvious, (depite for the persistence of the appearances), that both Nicholas and marcus are illusions, so I suppose that all of the wordzzz flying back and forth between them on the extensive comment thread are illusions as well? I tried to follow it all for a while but seem to have gotten lost along the way. Blessings to all!