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Dr. Shankar: "Decisions"
Decisions
‘Decisions, decisions, decisions! What a burden it is to have make decisions in life!’ Such is the cry of almost every man and woman. And - ‘Why does life have to be so difficult?’
Why indeed?
‘How glorious it would be if life just happened!’
It would indeed.
‘Why can we not just watch – and enjoy, perhaps – life unfolding?’
Why not, indeed?
Every man believes right decisions have to be made by him or her in order to survive. On the other hand, every man also believes that wrong decisions should not be made, so as to avoid unwanted consequences.
Nevertheless, man makes both the right and the wrong decisions. Paradoxically, he finds his decision has been wrong only if his expectations are not met, and never before. He is, therefore, never certain if the decision made is right. It appears right until it turns out not to be.
The point is - when did man begin to decide? Irrespective of when he began to decide, it appears that he has not learnt how to make the right decision every time he makes them, no matter how knowledgeable he or she is.
Man has many beliefs within his mind. He did not decide to have them, did he? Having had them, he cannot decide what to have or what not to have, can he? He should be able to if he can decide what to do and what not to do.
Did the first man on earth decide to be born? Even in the present day, does any man or woman decide to be born? No, he or she does not decide to be born. They come to know that they are born only after they are born - without any decision.
So too with death: man can decide to die, but he can never determine the exact moment of his death or birth. Birth happens, and so too death, in a moment that has no time within it or decision. The entire cosmos happened spontaneously, and so too man, and his decisions happen spontaneously, whether he likes it or not.
Does man have to decide to breathe so that he may live? Does he have to decide to see and hear so that he may see and hear? Does he have to decide to smell, taste and touch so that he may smell, taste and touch? He does not, for these things happen to man if they are meant to happen, whether he decides or not.
Likewise, life will happen to man whether he decides or not. It will happen in only one way and not the way he decides. Decisions are a delay in life and not an actuality.
However, man cannot decide in the moment in which he or she lives, for he has not made the moment and neither can he decide in a moment for, in a moment, time nor thought exist. If he could make the moment, he would not make the moment he will die, would he?
The moment was already present before the first man came to live in it. To decide, time is required, and time does not exist in a moment, while life happens within it spontaneously.
Decisions that are meant to happen will happen and no force on earth can stop them from happening. Decisions that are not meant to happen will not happen, and no force on earth can make them happen.
Considerable frustration and criticism may well be experienced when there seems to be indecision. They do happen and man is unable to decide not to experience them. If he or she could decide, this would be an important decision to make. Frustration and criticism, like decision, are illusory for they all are felt in the mind and not in life.
Life does not depend upon man’s decisions for a direction. If life did depend upon that, it would be confused, for there are as many decisions as there are minds. There would be utter chaos every other moment if life were to listen to man’s decisions.
Life would never flow, for life would have to wait for a decision to be made by man, since every man would expect and want his decision to be followed by life. Man would argue over decisions and life would have to wait for man to decide. In that case, life would not happen until a decision was made and, if life were not to happen, man and life would end.
Life does not wait for man’s decisions; it unfolds eternally, spontaneously, uncontrollably and unpredictably. Decisions happen in time in the mind and not in life. Life flows like a river and a river does not decide whether to flow or not.
Life is a singular flow of optical and auditory illusions of light and sound, and the flow of life does not depend on man’s decisions.
Author: Dr. Vijai S. Shankar © Copyright V.S. Shankar 2011
should a woman being raped gratefully accept the rape. or may be watch pateintly that it is the only way that it could happen ...never wrong?
if the only way is never wrong why do you and me pick and choose what to have for salad and desert while people do not have food in the first place and die of hunger?
why should the only way be never wrong?
and why should your relief depend on that?
do you mean to say...thatthousands of your fellow men/women (poor, under previlaged, daily laboureres...)who dont get to read these gems/ or understand that mind is illusory have no chance of relfief?
if it is so...dont have the courgae to dismiss these gems as rubbish and rebel?
if its not so then how come these people live their lives without fear and fight ? in your own office is there not even one story where a person fought against all odds and came up inlife?
true relief is elief despite all the reasons...
there are thousands , who are not over fed like you and me , who dont give a damn wheter mind is illusory or real..yet with relief...they live without fear...the rikshaw puller pulls you and me ...in the mid day sun...and takes home food to his children...
why do you then look for reasons not to fear...
true fearlessness has no reasons..that is why all reasons which include mind to be illusory are a lie.
let a decision be illusory or real ....let it have no say on your relief...
i scold you with great wrathe, may be if you are near I would also have hit you...stop this "gem"rubbish...
grow up...be without fear...of the past, present, of the future...and you dont need any reason not to fear...
if you are needing it...or seeing one..understand it to be a manifestation of the very fear itself...rubbish it , ll dismiss it...
only such fearless unites you with everyone...with the buddha as well as the daily illeterate honest toler labouerer
you need no reason not to fear...
On difficulties...
I again , state , conclusively, that there is no such thing as a difficulty...
On man and decision....
it is a decision , the window of life to man...
or in other words...decision is life...
one can pump oxygen in and out of a corpse..hell people even have sex with corpses dont you know...?what use...
the decision....dear marcus..it is the decision...which makes him life...
stop being scared of life
no regards for you...not atleast now..
declutching is not the understanding that ego/decision is illusion..
declutching is an understanding that all fear that this and that could happen to what we call as ego is empty and as good as shit.
in that instant of life(fearless) saying that ego/decision is an illlusion is also empty.
Allmost all seekers come to this point...they see that the ego/or themselves are made up..in other words they are thinking thmselves up.
in all most all such instances...seekers laugh..upon seeing this..
and then unncessary romancing and losing way follows...
ahh..wake up froom the personal dream..bla bla..
that there is no self ,no doer etc etc or that declucthing as happenned etc etc ..bla bla
this the last trap...
so I repeat again
declutching is not the realisation that the ego is an illusion...
awakening is not waking up from the dream of the ego...
declutching is the realisation that the fear that this and that could happen, happenned, or is happenning is empty..to the ego or to anything...
similarily awakening is not waking up to egolessness..
but rather waking up to fearless..
there is a difference, there is a difference , there is a difference ......
lucky ...you folks are not with me...I would have kicked your butts ...maybe ..burned your skins..bashed you hard ....dont know.. may be buy a chocolate...or something.....till you saw this!
no regards for you all...me very angry....
There is neither such thing as difficulty nor decision. Decision is window to mental life and not life. Decision is a word and is therefore the mind not life. Does man do? If he thinks he does could it be real, for he has to do again and if so could the use be real? If declutching is meant as a happening and not an act, it happens the moment realization happens that the mind is illusory which includes fear too.
this moment, this very moment I state , that there is no such thing as a difficulty.there is only decision.
It is because I state it to be so. All the vedas, all the buddhas are secondary and cannot even come close to contradicting it!
again, there is no difficulty in life, I rubbish every difficulty in Life. There is only decision.
again, that mind is a word, that decision is illusory, the ego is not etc etc etc ....is a luxury.... only afforded by the fattened and over fed....and not reality...
There is no such thing as difficulty...only decision..
I see a hungry father...robbing...nay killing a fellow person to feed his young....
that 'killing a fellow person " is GOD when posted against all analysis of that difficulty which includes whether that decision /ego is illlusionary or not.etc etc etc ..
SO again I repeat , all difficulties in life are rubbish..
all analysis of what is (ego, decision etc ) as illusonary or real(no self OR Brahman) are bla bla bla and are as good and as worth as shit...
having said this...how come desicion be real or life...?
...because I say it to be so...there is no other ground..hell all grounds pale in front of it...
why cant you be like me...?
when almost everything in this Life is almost like conniving for you to be like what I am?
damn it ,...God damn it!!!
this 'moment' is fearless...
it doesn not need to know what a "decision" is!
the only truth is the stand taken by a person...that is the moment..that is the decision...that is life
a stand taken by a person---what is so difficult to understand this simple thing...
however let me try it again...
when a person takes a stand...he is the daddy of all enlightened beings/wisdom/GOds/devils/ Zens/ ....
when a person takes a stand....fearless...EVEN TRUTH(if it is or what ever it is) PALES BEFORE THIS MORNING SUN....
me very very angry..
Decision and the someone cannot and do not exist in the moment. The eyes only receive light rays while the mind thinks illusions to be the seen and believes it to be real. There is nothing rubbish either in life or in the mind. Everything is perfect and precise in life and the mind, in life as light and sound and in the mind as illusory manifestation of light and sound.
>>>>Decision and the someone cannot and do not exist in the moment.
I repeat again. It is irresponsiblity to state so.
one can sit in germany and gobble down beer after beer , while people die in places for a drop of water.
hell that one can dring a barrell for all that any one cares..but it is irresponsible to say a decision does not exist....
its like the beer drinking maniac stating " water scarcity? ha ha its only a myth...
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>>>>>Everything is perfect and precise in life and the mind, in life as light and sound and in the mind as illusory manifestation of light and sound.
again the beer drinking maniac could also think" wow what a life..its perfect..one more beer please..."
how ever the person struggling for a glass of water or compramising with muddy water would be thinking other wise..
HOWEVER ONE POINT AND ONBLY ONE POINT ALONE has the potentiality to unite them both...which is..
let Life be perfect or not perfect(which naturallu inculdes all analysis of it...light...sound.blabla) let life be perfect not perfect..this and that.....I do not fear...
that point of fearless ...that point of a stand which is available to everyone..that point of a decision which is eeveryones....
that point and that point alone is LIFE, is the only spirituality...
to say other wise ..is the rubbish in LIFE...
who the hell is anyone ..to state other wise...hell...I will kick even GOds(if there is one) butt(he/she is bound to have one..and available to me..) if he says so and remind him..you got no right to state so F*&() off!
Man neither drinks beer nor water. The mind thinks he can drink, does not drink or is unable to drink. If he is meant to drink he will and no force on earth can stop him from drinking. If he is not meant to he will not drink and no force on earth can make him drink. Man does not think, thinking happens to man. The ego is false and the fearlessness of the ego which decides to be fearless too will be false.
>>>>>Man neither drinks beer nor water. The mind thinks he can drink, does not drink or is unable to drink. If he is meant to drink he will and no force on earth can stop him from drinking.
I repeat again...your splendid analysis on what the mind thinks , whether man really drinks beer or water etc etc etc ...is like asking the dog to sit on a kings golden throne....the best the dog will manage to do ...forget ruling the kingdom sitting on the thorne....the best it will do is shit ...nasty shit on it...so the next thing you know you will be cleaning it...
your effort/ analysis or that "understanding' which you take a mike and shout so much about is REALLY WORTH and is of any value or is TRUE if it tackles two issues which figure in your reply...and about which you seem to have no understanding...
1. if it is meant to ....
2.which is this: no force in the world can stop him..
NOW you are speaking the language of everyone..not just the over fed. Good.
However , complete understanding is not about if one could be stopped or not..nor the reasons (if it is meant to..etc) why one could be stopped or not...
complete understanding is not to fear being stopped for what ever god damn reason...in the first place itself...
now ...before such fearless all analysis of stopping, reasons for stopping etc etc are bla bla bla...
marcus steigmier the philosopher copes up with loss and pain because he understands noble concepts such as no -doer etc etc. There are also people around this world , poor or not so fortunate as marcus , in terms of philosophical/spiritual luxuries...who cope up with daily challenges , pains, and lossess...
they do not understand that some noble souls explain this world to be loight and sound...yet they cope up...
you must speak in their language..any other is irresponsibility...and a LIE !
now dont think I criticize your language...the very incomplete understanding of yours I call a LIE
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>>>>>If he is not meant to he will not drink and no force on earth can make him drink. Man does not think, thinking happens to man. The ego is false and the fearlessness of the ego which decides to be fearless too will be false.
Very good example of your incomplete and irresponsible understanding.
it doesnt matter which or what decides to be fearless..
it will have no fear...even the fear that fearless is false or true..getting it...
such fearless includes the question what am I?
it doesnt matter what or who decides to be fearless...there is no more concern about what "ONE IS"(false or real)...nor any fear about the past , prsent or the future...
in front of such a person...calling ego to be false or calling ego to be brahman etc etc is bla bla bla bla bla...
only that fearless unites marcus the philosopher and the daily rikshaw puller .....
If the hypothesis (dog and king’s throne) is meant to happen it will happen and no force on earth can stop it from happening.The happening however will still be in the singular flow (which is life) which will appear as real actions to the illusory mind.
Non-doership is not a mental concept it is a realisation. It happens and cannot be brought about by the ego. Separation is only in the mind and not in life.
there is absolutely nothing in a happening or in any hapenning to fear.
not to fear an happenning because it is not real...is not true fearless.
not to fear an hapenning even if it was real...is true fearlessness.
marcus grow up.
X and Y are two men. suppose if X and Y were given a task of capturing/seeing/talking to a ghost..
Y knows there is no such a thing as a Ghost..he is double sure...nay he had in life the "realisation" that there is no such thing as Ghost....SO HE ACCEPTS THE CHALLEGNE.
However X thinks there are ghosts.Yet he accepts the challenge.
Who is fearless...?(outright..?)
now marcus the philosopher can come about and say..
X was fearless because ....in reality Ghosts do not exist!!!!
what bullshit is it...?
Man is free..or wise..or in your words has understood...when he is fearless...
and not fearless because of this and that but fearless as such.
this and that includes analysing "seperation" to be an 'illusion'.Though it might seem to be for a noble cause of "freeing" man ...it is like giving a crutch(not a walker/or any other helping but a "CRUTCH") to an infant for teaching him how to walk AND BRAINWASHING HIM that PEOPLE WALK WITH THE HELP OF CRUTCHES.
for the one who is gving the crutch it is a very noble thing...
but in reality it is a lie( at best)!
There is absolutely nothing in a happening means cause and effect phenomenon is absent and cannot be present as life is timeless, meaning time is absent in life. Not to fear a happening even if it were real (which is not possible) is bravery (albeit illusory) and not fearlessness. Fearlessness happens when fear is understood to be illusory.
understanding fear to be empty gives an opportunity to understand fearlessness.
understanding fear to be empty is not fearlessness as such.
that opportunity is fruitful or utlized by the one who has understood fear to be empty ...when he further understands
that to be fearless for a reason is not true fearlessness
and fearlessness has no reason...
then and only then he/she is free...
all those who give reasons for being fearless... are not helping him, like you do and think....but I repeat...are giving him a crutch....which is a lie!
first you yourself throw away that crutch....then come and the spread the word..as fitting as you see...
Fearlessness will be understood to have no reason once fear and reason is understood to be illusory.
did you read nagarjuna's chariot example...where is the chariot he asks the king..what ever king shows nagarjuna points that it is only a part...
stop your idiocy! do you think fora seeker apart from the thing being feared there is fear...?
do you understand in teh first place what "understanding fear to be epmty means"...?
understanding fear to be an illusion does not mean it is epmty....because in your own (sound--light blabla) illusion does not mean it does not exist.understanding fear to be an illusion is in a way fear itself
in reality understanding fear to be epmty means...understanding fear to be the root of all "sufferring".
there is only one and only one sufferring that poses the challenge to man( to the seeker, to the business man to the school kid...to the rikshaw puller...)
that is the fear of the past, present,and of the future...
this fear has several manifestations...
that I might not feed my children today, Imight die, I might lose, pain, sufferring , why is it hapeening like this,and the famous WHAT/WHO AM I? and answers such as no self..I am that ...etc etc etc are fear too!
only one sufferring and that is fear. THis and only this understanding is the understanding of fear to be epmty...no other...
because in any other way you have to empty/illusionise the world first to illusionise empty the fear!(like the nagarjunas chariot) AND ILLUSIONISING THE WORLD IS ALSO A MANIFESTATION OF FEAR!
what nonsense! what cowardice..! stunts to the growth of man..dwarfing man and life...cutting down the splendour of life...asking all men/woman to be beggars!!!what cowardice!!!
the only spirituality is taking this fear head on!
down the line a miracle happens ( regarding fear and the object of fear...but that issue is in a way use less now)
let mind/ego/self/fear/ be illusionary or real..the only sprituality is to take the fear head on... DESPITE ALL/ANY REASONS...
only then , only that, only in that moment he/she is LIFE
only then he/she is free...only that is spirituality, (if spirituality is any true)
he/she is free without any crutch..he/she is then free immetarial whether mind/problem is illusonary or REAL!
TRULY FEARLESS!
this is the word that is to be spread..not distributing crutches....
Past present and future are illusory realms of time in the mind and not an actuality in life. The eternal moment 'now' is there is, which is life. Time and thought is absent in the moment 'now' (life) and so too would be suffering or fear of it.
>>>>>Past present and future are illusory realms of time in the mind and not an actuality in life.
even if they were an actuality in life i do not fear them because I am fearless.
that is how you could be too...if you drop the crutch of illusionising...
only that is free...
>>>>>> The eternal moment 'now' is there is, which is life.
the moment you say now...it is time! the other thing is...
"eternal moment" is bullshit...you cant illusionise time one one hand and also conveniently say there is an eternal moment...
in trying to spread a word which you thimk is noble you have blinded yourself...meekly putting it.
if you want to illusionise then illusionise everything..including the now...(buddha was not a fool)
everything is impermenant..period...full stop!
then the seeker or u urself will take up this challenge..in the correct way!
there is a zen story , probably of sosan...called "so what".you could read it.
buddha saying everything is impermanent...posing a challenge..dont know how many centuries after sosan came...but got the answer alright..old rascal!
anyway...
who is the lier who thought you "now" is life?
not fearing what you understand "now"(whatever u understand it to be illusionary or real" ) is Life.
>>>>>>Time and thought is absent in the moment 'now' (life) and so too would be suffering or fear of it
so to would be.....hell marcus ...dont you see how your language twists and turns..like something hiding from something...
why are you not able to state fear is absent in the now?
anyway..
fear is indeed absent in the now...not just in the now...IN THE PAST AND IN THE FUTURE AS WELL..
however it has no reason!
it is simply becasue I state it to be so!
ah ...you/anyone could do it too!fearlessly...for fearlessness is LIFE...everyones..
let there be anything present or absent in the now...or in the past or in the future......stop being a coward...and grow up.
Eternal moment means boundaries of time are absent, wherein the play of light and sound ‘Bindu and Naada’ manifests illusory world, man and mind that appear real to the illusory ego eternally. Life is timeless and thoughtless. Mind is full of stories and every story is illusory. Man's daily life is an ongoing story, albeit illusory.
eternal moment means one fears impermanency.
life is not thoughtless or any 'less" Life is allways thoughtmore or allways "more"
there is nothing(illusonary or real) that can "less' Life...including a mans daily life..
there is nothing that can "lessen"it.
..grow up..stop such cowardice.Worst still spreading it! Or i might book a ticket to germany and bang you on your head
one more thing do read sosan..albeit a story..because though a story is an illusion..it (in your own bla bla) it does not mean it doesn not exist..it is not what it seems..ISNT IT? thats the beauty of "such" a story...allways more than what it seems!
The mind wants more, more, and more. This is perfect and precise. The mind is absent in the timeless and thoughtless ‘now’, and therefore the more is illusory.
when i said life is allways more...
it means no matter what it has 'less"/"more" does not lessen it.....for it is fearless...
in this way it is allways more than the less, even if there is only the less!
the word 'want' did not figure in my post. it did only in yours...not becasue you analyse it to be troublesome,,,but because you fear it.
so i state fearlessly ...if it is required for something to be more...i will want it to be more...without a fear if it being more or not. Because I do not fear this want!
to a over fed german one more meat ball is more and symbolises greed in man.
to an starving man in a poverished area one more meat ball is LIFE.
who the hell are you then? to state that more is an illusion?
who the hell ami to sit here and accept it!
such irresponsibility or all irresponsibility springs from cowardice. put a stop to it and grow up!
in that moment where you quoted or urself stated "mind is full of stories" in response to my "read sosan story"........ in that moment ...marcus was fearless in throwing a punch..taking a stand
it didnt matter what angryidiot would reply.
sure, confident, fearless (albiet illusonaty or real)...
I now take a stand and say what ever marcus said, and what ever angryidiot replied are Bla bla bla in front of marcus taking that stand...
let it be for tackling what angryidiot states or for arranging an education for a naughty brat at home ...by marcus...will be the same stand...will be what a moment is will be LIFE
in front of such or any stand by any person...no matter what that stand is ...hell even committing a sin..
that a stand has been taken is "more" anytime than all analysis of that stand which include no-self, no decision, brahman etc etc etc , all these pale in front of a stand..
even if the same person who has taken the stand moves away from it, taking a different stand...even that or none can contradict that taking up of a stand in the first place...
even this eternal moment(if such a bull shit does exist) pales before it....
fearless is Life, fearless I AM ...there is no illusion or reality in hell or heaven that I fear...
wait a minute... hell... I am booking my ticket to germany..
I will be just waiting , just by the mall or behind a parking lot...and will jump on you..wuussssshhh will fly your specatcles into thin air,,,,and may be mine as well!
Stories are not in the moment but are illusory reflections of the moment.
but I state fearlessly that a story is told in the moment , making it the moment too.
the moment excludes nothing ,for it, the moment , ....is fearless.
because a moment is fearless it doesn not analyse or try understand whether something is illusonary or real.'''like a coward...
stop being a coward and grow up
The story appears to be said in the moment which is the present to the mind. But what is the moment and the present? Life as science has disclosed the unit of time which makes the present is an ato second through atomic clocks. An ato second is one billionth of a billionth of a second. The mind does not function or recognise this unit of time, therefore the mind is an illusory manifestation of sound and cannot recognise the present which is life. The moment is the present and in turn life, and a unit of time is unmeasureable within it. Therefore life is timeless and thoughtless and a story appears to be said in the moment and such a possiblity does not exist, and is therefore illusory that the story is said in the moment.
>>>>>>The story appears to be said in the moment which is the present to the mind. But what is the moment and the present?
rama is sita's husband. whose wife is sita?
>>>>> Life as science has disclosed the unit of time which makes the present is an ato second through atomic clocks. An ato second is one billionth of a billionth of a second. The mind does not function or recognise this unit of time, therefore the mind is an illusory manifestation of sound and cannot recognise the present which is life.
a person in 1st dimension cannot see what a 2nd dimension is(breadth). A person in 2nd dimension cannot see what a 3rd dimension is(width) but can see what length and breadth are.
a person in 3rd dimension can also see width but cannnot see time the 4rth dimension....however physicists prove there are 11 dimensions...some even try and recreate one..time warp etc etc etc
so according to you the mind of a person in 3rd dimension is an illusion and he has to go to 4rth dimension to make it real.
the question what am I is not for findind answers such as your advaitic no-doer or the vedic brahman etc etc etc but to understand what am I is a manifestation of fear...of fear of the past, of the present and of the future.
>>>>The moment is the present and in turn life, and a unit of time is unmeasureable within it.
then pay your electricity bill yesterday.
>>> Therefore life is timeless and thoughtless
life is allways more....cowards try make it less.
>>>> and a story appears to be said in the moment and such a possiblity does not exist, and is therefore illusory that the story is said in the moment.
life doesn not complain whether the story is real or an illusion...for it is fearless....sthira.... sthanu....
the story does not claim to be real or in fear admit that it is an illusion....shakti...kranti...
Not Two.but even this is bla bla bla bla bla bla..bla bla bla(im tired) any way ....bla bla bla bla....
illusionising time is fearing time....past , present , future...
head on head on head on ....without any cructhes....
Sita is Rama’s husband, albeit illusory, present but yet not present in life (Neti –neti).
A or any dimension is illusory present but yet not present in life (Neti –neti).
Electricity, a bill and their presence are illusory. Present but yet not present in life (neti –neti).
The brave and the coward are present but yet not present in life (neti –neti).
The moment is without fear, for fear is a thought in the mind, present but yet not present in life (Neti –neti).
Head and crutches both are present but yet not present in life (Neti –neti).
>>>>>>>>>>Sita is Rama’s husband, albeit illusory, present but yet not present in life (Neti –neti).
are they yet not present?.let us apply ..neti neti....
Rama is Sitas husband, albeit illusory or real, not present yet present in life( NETI NETI)
>>>>>A or any dimension is illusory present but yet not present in life (Neti –neti).
is a dimension yet not present in life..let us apply .neti neti...
a dimension , albeit illusonary or real, not present yet present in life(NETI NETI)
YOU MUST BE GETTING THE POINT. there are different types of arguments in INdian Philosophy. YOur lot seems to specialise in the Mitanda vada.....good thing you know!?
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>>>>Electricity, a bill and their presence are illusory. Present but yet not present in life (neti –neti).
I did not ask you to analyse whats an electricity bill is
. I simply asked you like stop paying the electricty bill /or tax/ or school fees. ..because all these dont exist in life for you.
why do you buy food for your family or clothes for your children ?
you must answer this simple question , then you can take up that mike of yours again and continue with your no doer bla bla bla.
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>>>>>>The moment is without fear, for fear is a thought in the mind, present but yet not present in life (Neti –neti).
the moment is without fear not because fear or the object of fear is an illusion.....it is fearless! that is all! it takes things head on...
the moment is without fear even if the object is real, not just when it is an illusion....
fearlessness of the moment is not due to a reason but despite all or any reason.
there is nothing too difficult about it to grasp and realise and I state that and only that is what is to be realised.that is the end of the search and cowardice.
Paying bills as well as buying food and clothes happens, illusory though it is, and if it happens no force on earth could prevent it from happening, and if it does not happen no force on earth could make it happen. And yet, all happens as thoughts in the mind and not as an actuality in life.
To be fearless even if an object would be real depends on bravery. Understanding of mind as illusory is independent from bravery, it just happens (or not).
I am not asking you if you fear not paying, buying ...
I am also not asking you if you paying/buying is illusonary(which of course does not mean not exists) or real.
Iam simply asking you why do you keep on buying/paying?(illusonary/real).
I do because I know, as clear as I know that it is day or night, that it is required by my family. WHy do you do? do you have any other reason?
do not evade.
The mind thinks it does for such and such a reason. There are no reasons in life. Children are feeded in the same manner as trees get water from rain - the mind may say that the tree gets water because it needs it to grow but trees even grew before mind came into life, illusory it may be.
>>>>>>The mind thinks it does for such and such a reason. There are no reasons in life. Children are feeded in the same manner as trees get water from rain - the mind may say that the tree gets water because it needs it to grow but trees even grew before mind came into life, illusory it may be.
evading again. I am not asking you whether you paying the bills is an illusion or an reality. Because you genuinely seem not able to understand my question let me put it using your own words...
what reasons(I again repeat illusonary or real) your mind sees for keeping on "doing" it (illusonary or real)?
I am asking only this simply...do not run away or evade but answer without fear.
Any reason the mind could give is relative and not absolute. And despite any reason the mind happens (!) to find, life flows in its own way, whether you like it or not.
>>>>>>Any reason the mind could give is relative and not absolute. And despite any reason the mind happens (!) to find, life flows in its own way, whether you like it or not.
I will repeat again. I am not asking you if the reason is relative or real. I am simply asking you to state that reason of the mind specifically (relative, illusonary, real , more than real........)....
do not run away,answer it without fear. If you are not able to answer even this small thing without fear , ....what
right do you have to call the mind itself an illusion..? OR HOW THE HELL DID YOU COME TO CALLING IT AN ILLUSION IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM THIS VERY VERY DIRECT AND SIMPLE QUESTION....?
illusion/reality/relative/absolute whatever..
let it be.....answer it without fear. what is the reason that your mind sees( seeing being illusion or real)...what is it that it sees...that it keeps paying those bills(paying being illusion or real)....specifically.... without fear..
I pay my bills I repeat again because i see as clear as the day that it is required of me. what about you?
what reason(let it be an illusion...) does your mind see?
The mind may think "I have to feed my children because they need food to survive" or the other day it thinks "Now I give my child something to eat so that I gain back silence at night for me to sleep." The mind thinks many reasons for illusory actions. And it could never be determined which reason will happen in a certain situation. Therefore your question could not be answered.
Understand that you don't pay bills because it is required of you, but because it happens to you. And if you refuse to pay your bills some day you could not do anything against it, even if your mind thinks that it is required of you to pay.
>>>>>>The mind may think "I have to feed my children because they need food to survive" or the other day it thinks "Now I give my child something to eat so that I gain back silence at night for me to sleep." The mind thinks many reasons for illusory actions. And it could never be determined which reason will happen in a certain situation. Therefore your question could not be answered.
Any way though you started the answer evading at least in the end you admitted that for you my “question could not be answered”
WHEN YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THIS SIMPLE SIMPLE QUESTION, ..
The reasons(illusonary, relative, real, absolute…..whatever) the mind sees in paying that bills(again illusonary , real …..)
WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO CALL THE MIND ITSELF AN ILLUSION. HOW CAN YOU ARRIVE AND PREACH IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?
THE MIND has 4 quarters( simplyfying).In fact though there are innumerable quarters, all are one and the single mind(ILLUSONARY OR REAL….I REPEAT ILLUSONARY OR REAL)
1.Antahkarana- identity—some call it the ego, “I” and so on
2. Manas—affection, love, spirit, will to live , heart of life etc etc etc all can be included in this quarter
3.Buddhi—all understanding is by/with buddhi…knowledge etc
4. Chitta- consciousness, thought mechanism etc are included here
The understanding that there is no-doer(ego an illusion or “I” an illuison ) happens in Buddhi,
So such knowledge is knowledge of the mind and not something elses.
So the answer which many gurus find it hard to give to the question ” if there is no doer., who has realised the no-doer” is IT IS THE OTHER FUNCTION OF THE MIND….BUDDHI!
THIS KNOWLDEGE of the quarters of the mind ITSELF IS ENOUGH FOR TRUE ENLIGHTENMENT,FOR THE SEEKR WHO HAS TANGLED HIMSELF INTO THE NO_DOER LIE OR I AM BRAHMAN bla bla bla PROVIDED THE SEEKER IS HONEST AND BRAVE.
Because one then has to realise with courage and honesty it is the mind saying mind does not exist( 4 quartres one mind)
And it is cowardice to do so.
Anyway upon the knowledge of the no-doer or ego an illusion etc the quarter of “I” is seen wrongly to be freed. To understand why it has to be freed one has to understand why Buddhi had to evolve towrads the non-doer?
It is because of fear of the past , present and future.This fear crystelized as the question “what am I” in the philosopher.
As I was saying “I” is not freed with the knowledge of the no-doer.WHY???? …who will free the other quarters? YOUR/MINE GRANDFATHER?
Luckily , because the other quartres do not deny (themselves)…the bills are continued to be payed…despite the foolish knowledge of the no-doer.
And the person who keeps on paying them says” Understand that you don't pay bills because it is required of you, but because it happens to you. And if you refuse to pay your bills some day you could not do anything against it, even if your mind thinks that it is required of you to pay.” Bla bla bla bla bla.
The Zen mastres called the mind the impeccable, one whose light penetrated everything,
Mind is a gift of life.IT IS LIFE.
Here you are given a wondeful faculty and you are running away from it in cowardice..
One should use it to grow, not retard growth.
So how is fear tackled? How can all the quartres be resolved?
When the mind is fearless.
True fearlessness is despite all reasons and does not have a reason.
Reasons include ego is an illusion on one hand or I am brahman , tatvamasi on the other.
All reasons are the manifestations of the fear itself.
When one cannot face his own self in the first place what right he has to preach truth, illusion etc etc. ?
Fearlessness is taking things head on head on…this is what karma yoga is.
Not the annihilation of the doer or doership but the annihilation of fear in doing.
Mind is freed not in annihilating itself or nobilising itself as Brahman, this and that, but mind is freed by being fearless, by annihilating the fear in being this and that…no –doer, Brahman,atman bla bla, I have an after life, soul moves on..blabla.
I am told that the bible calls this fearlessness I AM what I AM. I agree.
Upon this fearless alone , the beauty of continuing to pay the bills , which marcus you find it impossible to answer, emerges.
this fearlessness is not a rarity. It is evey ones inborn true nature. It happenes every day to every one...when a person takes things head on(illusonary or real)
There is neither "doer" nor "non-doer" for actions are just thoughts, sound in life, an illusory delay of life. Understanding does not happen in the mind, otherwise it would be knowledge.
when you ran away from your "self" in cowardice , what ever you preach will be that cowardice and nothing more..
anyway...that there is an action (illlusonary or real), itself, is enough to take it, the action, beyond and "more" anytime .....than all analysis of what an action is (analysis of an action to be an illusion or real or just thoughts..etc etc).
in other words it, an/any action, is.. uncatchable by your illusionising.
One only runs away from what seems real not from what is understood to be illusory, for this means to understand that you will run away if it is meant to happen and you don't if it is not meant to happen.
>>>>One only runs away from what seems real not from what is understood to be illusory,
what uselessness and cowardice again. we are not discussing why one runs away.we are concerned with why one doesnt run.
and ...despite from something seeming real many times people do not run.they take it head on , unlike you people.
>>>> for this means to understand that you will run away if it is meant to happen and you don't if it is not meant to happen.
one of the best excuses I heard till date for cowardice...on one hand....and absolute cocophony on the other...
the future comes from the now...not now from the future...the now is free..... fearless.
all of you including your boss are very much welcome to visit me at my home...
it would be a very good break for your boss also, he would be eating his original , native , south indian dishes after a long long time.
If the visit is meant to happen it will happen and no force on earth can make it happen or stop it from happening.
At the office today I just overheard a conversation where someone is telling someone else that that they will have to make a decision quickly and be ready to move on that decision. Of course, having just read Decisions, Decisions, Decisions, I had to smile. Those parties will struggle with that decision and only be happy with each other if the one party approves of the other’s decision. Not understanding that you simply cannot make a decision leaves you at the mercy of always having to get it right or be considered a failure by yourself and others.
Understanding that life flows in one way only, is spontaneous, uncontrollable and unpredictable allows for a gracious appreciation of whatever decision appears to be made. A trust in life’s intelligence replaces the struggle to make the right decision or face possible ruin and loss of face in the eyes of others. If you cannot possibly know what is in the other’s mind then how you could know if the apparent decision was right or wrong? And, not understanding your own mind by what criteria would you judge the rightness or wrongness of the decisions you think you make?
What a relief to understand that decisions appear in the mind, perfectly tailor-made by life to please or displease the ego. And, since there is no time except conceptually then right decision/wrong decision would have to be false. Watch patiently and you will see that you are always flowing in the only way that you can and how could that possibly be wrong?
Thank you again Dr. Shankar. These gems that come forth from you have shifted the landscape of my life like a 10.0 earthquake – totally fresh and rearranged.
Rebecca