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Changes in the body as a result of the shift
Many teachers have reported physiological changes in the nervous system after under-going the "shift". Byron Katie talks about how she went for days without the need for food, and how her tongue would bleed if she ate meat. U.G. Krishnamurti speaks of a clincal death in which every cell of his body was blown apart. I think Jeff Foster mentioned in one of his interviews that he fell gravely ill, was vomitting blood and had to hospitalized. Margot Ridler also talks about how she became quite ill soon after. I was wondering if there was anyone on the site who also went through a very physical change?
Lucy: Many teachers have reported physiological changes in the nervous system after under-going the "shift".
Response: Do you feel ill? If so, just watch, if it happens, whether life brings you to a doctor or not.
This is the first time that Marcus made me "crack up" in laughter, but - I am afraid, maybe he is serious? If not, I am still laughing...If he is serious, I will respect that, of course, and start to control my face muscles and the shaking of my internal organs.
Andreas: This is the first time that Marcus made me "crack up" in laughter, but - I am afraid, maybe he is serious? If not, I am still laughing...If he is serious, I will respect that, of course, and start to control my face muscles and the shaking of my internal organs.
Response: Life is not to be taken serious! This is meant very serious!
No physiological changes which are attributable to a particular "shift" here.
But my body has always reflected the consumptive and/or addictive habits of my mind.
When my mind was obese, my body followed suit.
Conversely, and when I thought sparingly, my body reflected that leanness of thought.
An addiction to a certain perspective or belief will evidence itself in other forms of addictions, I've found.
Which may explain, in part, why my BMI has never been lower.
Peter: Conversely, and when I thought sparingly, my body reflected that leanness of thought.(...) Which may explain, in part, why my BMI has never been lower.
Response: The body is a thought, not an actuality in life. The body does not feel the bed on which it sleeps - therefore the body is insentient as such.
So too, "shifts" are thoughts. BMI will be as is meant to be as is "thought-activity", illusory though it is. The capacity of the mind to imagine is unimaginable! And man is not the thinker anyway. The only shift which could happen is the clear understanding that the mind is illusory and it doesn't happen in time for time is illusory too.
So too, "shifts" are thoughts. BMI will be as is meant to be as is "thought-activity", illusory though it is. The capacity of the mind to imagine is unimaginable! And man is not the thinker anyway. The only shift which could happen is the clear understanding that the mind is illusory and it doesn't happen in time for time is illusory too.
Lucy said: I will take that as a no Marcus.
I am talking about the sudden release of energy, I think they refer to it as Kundalini in the East.
Lucy said: I will take that as a no Marcus.
Response: It was not meant as no or yes. The bodily changes are thoughts and therefore illusory. To relate them to cause and effect is illusory. Everything, illusory though it is, could happen to the body all the time.
Lucy: I am talking about the sudden release of energy, I think they refer to it as Kundalini in the East.
Response: If anything at all, such questions indicate that the understanding of their illusoriness is yet to happen. Even if there were such a bodily phenomenon after "whatever", it must not necessarily apply to everybody for life does not repeat itself.
If the mind is interested in "stories about awakening" what could that mean? Does it mean perhaps that the mind searches for a sign of his own awakening? The capacity of the mind to imagine is unimaginable.
The "shift" is to understand clearly that questions about "what could happen after enlightenment" are as illusory as all the answers!!! Nothing happens in life, everything happens as thoughts in the mind.
You'll soon get well, for all is well!
Marcus said: If anything at all, such questions indicate that the understanding of their illusoriness is yet to happen. Even if there were such a bodily phenomenon after "whatever", it must not necessarily apply to everybody for life does not repeat itself.
Lucy said: Marcus it is pretty elementary that questions are illusory, but life does not stop just because there is an understanding of the illusory. Marcus I fear you have found a very convienent method for keeping life at bay...tell me do you ever wonder why you are so active on these boards, and please do not tell me that it is just what is happening, what you are left with after the "you" disappears does not give a hoot about this crap, you are still seeking my friend weather you see it or not.
Lucy said: Marcus it is pretty elementary that questions are illusory, but life does not stop just because there is an understanding of the illusory. Marcus I fear you have found a very convienent method for keeping life at bay...tell me do you ever wonder why you are so active on these boards, and please do not tell me that it is just what is happening, what you are left with after the "you" disappears does not give a hoot about this crap, you are still seeking my friend weather you see it or not.
Response: Life does not stop for life is beginning-less and end-less. Life unfolds every moment only the illusory and never the real, for there is no need for the real to unfold.
Marcus said: Life does not stop for life is beginning-less and end-less. Life unfolds every moment only the illusory and never the real, for there is no need for the real to unfold.
Lucy said: Yes, it is understood that "nothing is happening", all that is happening is illusory. You say Life does not stop for life is beginning-less and endl-less, Life unfolds every moment only the illusory and never the real, for the there is no need for the real to unfold. Can you turn off the ilusory or extract yourself from it? The illusory is all we have, the real cannot be experienced, so why spend so much time trying to explain the real? Is this not a subtle rejection of the illusory?
Lucy: Yes, it is understood that "nothing is happening", all that is happening is illusory.
Response: "Life is real and nothing. Mind is illusory and everything." Dr. V S Shankar
Lucy: Can you turn off the ilusory or extract yourself from it?
Response: If an understanding remains as knowledge in the mind, "everything is an illusion" is an escape from life, illusory though it is, and it could not be prevented, if it happens.
Understanding as wisdom is freedom of thoughts, come what may - in the mind! This understanding reveals that "KUNDALINI" is not a real experience but a THOUGHT too and nothing could be DONE about it and it does not MEAN anything! DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!
Lucy: The illusory is all we have, the real cannot be experienced, so why spend so much time trying to explain the real? Is this not a subtle rejection of the illusory?
Response: In order to explain the illusory the term "real" is used, this is no rejection of the illusory. Nothing has ever been said about the real except that it is eternal and does not change.
Dear Lucy,Marcus ( who still does not know how to count),Wisdom Point and Peter
can the end of relativity be noticed?
coming to lucys good old friend UG , he also says something which borders on being beautfiul : " it is the person/self/ego that dies " UG says " the body is immortal".
Well the same should be true about any shifts ....?
it must be only the person who notices/calls/longs for the shifts not the body. The body probably is oblivious to such changes-- Body being non -dual. Any way it reminds me of what Dr Shankar says in one of his interviews : Advaita does not mean one with everything but rather " Not Two".
So it would follow if it is not two, than all relativity is not original.
bye folks
regards
PS : there is a site by the name black sun journal ( I did not like it though) and suprise suprise whom do you think I saw...ah? Pitching his fast balls trying to get them out?
bye
I highly caution anyone from going there. If someone googles your name in the future, this site may show up permanently as a top reference, and makes you look like a "weirdo".
If you don't care about these kinds of perceptions, knock yourself out...It is an interesting show case of "US Spirituality" going awry.
"can the end of relativity be noticed?" - amati
An end of anything... including relativity... is still a relative perception. "End" and "beginning" are relative aspects of time and space, which are mirages.
The differentiated, or mirage, can only perceive other differentiations or mirages. The differentiated cannot perceive the undifferentiated. Simply because as long as you have a differentiator (the mirage of a separate and distinct self), it will be creating other mirages to support its own mirage.
An excellent example of that, within these virtual walls, are the discussions of sound and light. Which are differentiations that attest to the presence of a differentiator who is making them.
"I am no one appearing as some one" honors both the undifferentiated and its appearance as the differentiated.
Not devaluing one at the expense of the other.
But honoring both.
The undifferentiated appearing as differentiation.
Amati: can the end of relativity be noticed?
Response: Only the illusory could be enjoyed, not the real. If the relative is understood to be illusory, there is nobody who labels it as an end, otherwise it would just be knowledge. Therefore the shift of understanding as wisdom does not happen in time, for time is understood to be illusory too.
The most remarkable change in my case, before the "shift", is, that I have to die as a body.
Then it is a matter of maintaining the nervous system, the digestive system, the circulation system, perception and awareness. All of them are the lens of engagement that needs to be clear and transparent.
I am not doing a good job though, because....oh, I am not account-able enough...
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