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Non-duality forums are nothing more than showcases for 'me' masturbation! Is that not obvious??? What YOU are has no interest in this conceptual garbage. So who is representing the content on these forums???
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yesterday i was shown "Second Hand Love"
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my method is a form of pesher.
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Hey dude, listen. I admit it. You've got me. You win. I can't beat you. Clearly you get "It" and us pathetic littles me's don't. You're the non-person who got it, and we're the people who have yet to become non-people.
I mean we're still arguing and masterbating on nonduality forums -- obviously that means that we haven't gotten it. Goddamn, I feel like such a fool.
I mean, come on, those "mirror" metaphors just blew me away -- that was out of nowhere, dude. Only the great prophets of nonduality use the "mirror" metaphor.
All I can say is -- thank you grand master of peace and love for keeping this pathetic masterbating, showcasing litle "me" in check.
Peace and Love,
Chuckles
Hi, I'm afraid that the only person that is got is yourself and that individual is imagined (by no one). 'Your words' originate from the imagined standpoint of an individual when in fact there is none. Life can be lived 'as if' the individual is real, but it is known that it is only as if. Awareness has no need to get it as it is it. It is not a person writing these words. They originate from nowhere, written by no one. We can play the game of 'me' writing these words etc., however, that would only be a distraction. The mirror metaphor is actualy true - so why not use it? Don't believe in anything. Test it for yourself. That's all that matters.
whats wrong with a me showcasing itself? whats wrong with having a problem with a me showcasing itself? i notice that i dont like people who try to prove their beyond thinking their a person, and thats fine. I notice that the motivation for me writing this could be partly for that reason thats fine too. resistence to what is is fine. not noticing that your not noticing your own resistence to something is fine as well. That being said, What I am is obviously not beyond all this "conceptual garbage" or this conceptual garbage would not exist. When you think your one thing as opposed to another you start denying things and seperate and differentiate more than even someone who has never heard any nondual teachings. but thats ok. everything is ok even if its not ok its ok that its not ok. and if thats not ok with you that's ok. and if you say no thats not ok, thats ok. please dont disregard that as a play on words, but if you do its ok.
Hi, how can a 'person' try to prove that they are beyond a person??? That's impossible and is your own interpretation. So, what's 'right' about an apparent 'me' showcasing itself - it only perpetuates the idea that the me is real. You think that you are writing this and this is the issue - no 'you' is writing anything.
Does the image on the mirror stain it? No. The mirror is not touched by the image. This 'reality' is a 3d mirror and the images are always there, but the mirror is not stianed or touched by ANYTHING! Of course, IT is EVERYTHING and here is the limitation of words and concepts. Thought can not grasp this as it is ungraspable. What you are IS beyond everything. That's the beauty of it. And what you are is not a thing - so no denial or separation exists.
Right now there is Awareness - that's it. Simple Awareness. Objects are not aware of It; It is aware of all else NOW.
clarity, are you sure that your comment isn't just a way for the "me" to be one-up on the other me's who masterbate on discussion forums? Only a me would be opposed to online discussions and the other me's who indulge in them.
You say that what we truly are has no interest in this conceptual garbage. But does what we truly are have any interest in judging people for "showcasing" on nonduality forums? Does what we truly are reject those kinds people and their discussions?
if you really feel that way then why are you even participating on this forum? is it not "obvious" that you're showcasing how much wiser you are than the other me's who are showcasing?
and what's wrong with a me who likes to showcase, anyways? only a me would scoff at other me's for showcasing. if you think that nonduality (or whatever the hell we're talking about here) is about rejecting the person then you're just playing a silly mind game with yourself called "me vs me."
thought (the "me") can't perceive itself -- why do you think conflict arises in the first place? we are totally blind. a thought cannot turn around and take a perspective on itself and realize how stupid it's being. everybody thinks that their position is the right position. why? because the "me" cannot perceive itself. if it could magically do this somehow it would immediately realize how idiotic it is and it would wither up and die the ego-death of a thousand spiritual superstars combined (lol, joking). by its very nature it can only ever blindly reach out and oppose other perspectives, as you're demonstrating so beautifully in your self-centered attempts to rise above self-centeredness. no one, no matter how spiritually elevated is an exception to this hilarious predicament.
I hope that you are including yourself in this 'hilarious predicament'. If you're not then you're even more deluded than the rest of us deluded ones.
If the above is the conclusion of someone who has gone through the gateless gate, than they are true words.
If the above is the conclusion of someone who only heard say that there is no seeker but who doesn´t know this from direct experience, than they are words that merely express frustration.
At least so it seems to me. But perhaps I read more cynicism in your words than you intended.
Is it all blah blah? From an absolute perspective: certainly. From a healthy everyday relative perspective: partially, I guess. I think a forum like this can be used to ´wear out´ the mind. And a long the way some useful insights can be shared.
And for supporting each other - but for that this forum really has to grow in terms of active users.
No wearing out is required. What you are is right here right now. It's totally fresh and new (beyond all wearing and non-wearing). It is completely direct. There is no process. Insights are only a happening in That. So is drinking a cup of coffee. What's the difference. Everything that happens Now IS an oppourtunity to know that THIS IS IT! That this is the only moment that there will ever be. It's obvious. All thought and concepts are bypassed in this knowing. Who's hearing, seeing, etc. No one. It is simply happening! What is that happening??? Who/what is aware of that? No separation. Not two. Seeing aware of itself - Awareness aware of seeing. Words happening (seems like a someone doing it but that is just a story). The story is itself proof that who you are is completely free NOW.
I know, I never have talked this crap. I go to work. I do my job. I used to read. I pride myself on never masturbating with thought.
I watch a few movies, (they're all bad, but at least I know it). Probably they are my only relationship, and maybe their 'vibration' has infected every cell of my body.
Basically my life has never changed one iota. I wonder how those people writing into 'viewer comments' can get off claiming this website can change their life?
All thought is masturbating, so you are contradicting yourself. So, your crap is some how better than the rest of the crap on these forums. Be careful of pride as it has a habit of biting you in the arse when you least expect it. So, if your life is so comfortable and uncomplicated then what the hell are you doing on here?
Did you get this uncompromising position on Non-Duality from Tony Parsons or Jeff Foster? It certainly sounds like it and I refer you to my initial post on the forum "End of the Seeker" to look at the issue from another angle.
But "NON DUAL" thought is unlike rational thought insofar as its a series of POINTERS to not-knowing rather than rigorous propsitions like you get in Science where language on some level shares the same logical form as reality. I think your masturbation metaphor for Non-Dual thought expresses a frustration with this character and this is understandable given its lack of a clear referent like conventional forms of Western thought, especially mathematical forms of thinking.
But there has always been a rich tradition of "spiritual" thinking both in the East (Where its been less speculative as western thought and always inextricably linked to questions of the "SELF") and in the West. For Example, Wittgenstein's Tractatus famously said "that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence" . Or what about TS ELIOT:
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Its not thought that is the problem. What IS the problem is using an inappropriate vocabulary to make sense of non-dual thinking.
"Its not thought that is the problem. What IS the problem is using an inappropriate vocabulary to make sense of non-dual thinking."
that is just it eh. although i would have said the nondual nature of this, rather than nondual thinking. we use words to render other words useless, until we get to the last straw. at which point, words/concepts have no use and the silent voice in this slightly schizophrenic dichotomy shines through, and it is seen that what you are is beyond meaning and logic. the peace that surpasses all understanding.
"Life can be lived 'as if' the individual is real, but it is known that it is only as if."
what is unreal about the as if part? it still exists so it is real. the point isnt that there is not an individual and is an absence of one, its that both are ideas. this false concept is what i call the nonduality cop out, people say there is no me so there is nothing i can do. its not that way at all.
thats your opinion,all opinions are ultimately wrong because there is no ultimate truth, or at least no way to measure it. you could say a banana is an orange and be ultimately just as right/wrong as the guy whos says its a banana.