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Analysis of my talk with Dr. Shankar
I think Dr. Shankar is absolutely right about the Indian Tradition and the understanding of 'LIFE', and I appreciate this.
Yet, he seems to be caught up in duality, because he poses life and the speed of light against sound and the speed of mind. I absolutely don't agree with that.
There is no "life" outside of "mind", or "mind" outside of "life". They are actually one and the same, whether we call it "life" or "mind". "light" or "sound" is completely irrelevant. It is an integral event of transcendent purpose.
INTEGRALITY between so called "life" and so called "mind" is the point of ORDER, not the separation of it.
Thank you Dr. Shankar for your immense contribution to Western confusion about Non-Duality.
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Response: Sound is a reflection of light. Sound too is light. Sound and light appear as duality but are actually one, as is every other duality. Sound too is light at different speed. Light was not posed as against sound in the interview. It appeared to the viewer and this is fine, and it reflects the depth of understanding that has happened to the viewer.
There are no Indian or western traditions. There is only ONE tradition that appears different. Posing one tradition as different from the other does not reflect INTEGRALITY.
Let me be clear about the point of discrimination. Non-duality is about absolute discrimination between the "one" or "life" and the mind. I am proposing integral discrimination where we find the integration of 'light and sound' and 'life and mind'. This integration proposes 'COSMOS' instead of 'MAYA'. Now, let the East meet the West...
Response: East and west are not separate from each other. Where would the separation point be? THAT east is separate or different from West is Maya and definitely not INTEGRALITY.
You are right. We have to be careful with these stereotypical labels "East" and "West". Let me rephrase: I am married to an Indian woman ;). Joking aside. We are speaking of India specifically and the Western European Tradition that is rooted in Ancient Greece. There is a tremendous difference between both that exactly begets the point of integration and the beauty and power of it.
Integration is the function of every polarity. No duality, no integration. It takes two to Tango. Before polarity we have one - no integration. With polarity we have - the point of integration.
Is this illusionary? Maybe, but that is besides the point, because it works! It works with illusion. Non-duality does not.
There is only one tradition. This single tradition is diverse and not separate from each other The differences between each is integrated.
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The relative Traditions flowering in cultures and times are a reflection of the one tradition that is timeless. It is good to understand that in terms of integration. Otherwise, the "one tradition" is misunderstood as the forced dismission of diversity. There is a problem with premature non-duality - "non-duality" as a product of ratiocination, that is pure escapism and leads to idiocy....
The timeless does not have a tradition for a tradition requires time to be known, it is good if the understanding happens. One tradition means the diversity is one but nevertheless illusory. Problem, prematurity, ratiocination, escapisim, idiocy all refer to an ego, all of which is illusory and not real.
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its so easy for spirituality to become just talk as is evident from this exchange